An American Family

Is the Loud family television series (An American Family) history repeating itself with the Gosselins? We have seen much drama and discord between Jon and Kate on the couch confessionals that some may take as tell-tale signs of a stressful marriage going even further downhill. How much farther will this go, in front of TLC's largest viewing audience? What is the real draw with this show? Is it the cute little children that we seem to see less and less of every week, to make room for their parent's dysfunction, or is it Jon and Kate's behavior toward each other that is becoming, at times, more of a train wreck to watch every week? A train wreck that draws in viewers and sells advertising time?

Some weeks what I see on the show seems to be better than others, some weeks Kate seems so stressed and out of alert reality that I really wonder what may be going on with her. Are we going to see an ever-diminishing relationship between Jon and Kate, week after week? What will we see when Jon and Kate renew vows in Hawaii? Do these two we see on the show lately seem like a couple that are close and loving enough to think about renewing vows, or are we being fed a Figure 8 scripted hook, line, and sinker, once again? Anything to get a trip to Hawaii, as Kate spoke about wanting to do while being filmed in Utah. Will we see things go so far that something like what was filmed with the Loud family happens on television with the Gosselins, or would cameras be shut off before getting this far, if things were to go this way for Jon & Kate?

Loud family excerpt from Wikipedia here:

Most notable was when Pat Loud asked her husband for a divorce and to leave the house on camera. Pat famously saying to her husband "you know there's a problem" and Bill Loud responding "What's your problem?". The moment was later chosen as one of the Top 100 Television Moments by TV Guide.

I hope for the best for this family. It looks to me like the best for this family right now may be some help and harmony to get back to how they felt about each other in the early days of filming, or before filming. If you tell me that what I see on television is only a small portion of their lives, and I don't know what goes on when cameras are off, then I want to know why we are shown such awful interaction between these two. Interaction that seems to create much speculation as to where their marriage is heading. Am I going to be told that it's all scripted and Jon and Kate really don't harbor disrespect and disdain for each other? Perhaps the best thing for the children right now is to hope and pray that their parents can get back to the basics of their relationship, those things that brought them together in the first place, with love and respect for each other, back in the days before fame and shame.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

Are you a family counselor or a pschycologist? You seem to know an awful lot about family dymanics and couple relationships.

Tootie said...

Posted by WatchOverThem: If you tell me that what I see on television is only a small portion of their lives, and I don't know what goes on when cameras are off, then I want to know why we are shown such awful interaction between these two. Interaction that seems to create much speculation as to where their marriage is heading? Am I going to be told that it's all scripted and Jon and Kate really don't harbor disrespect and disdain for each other?

I never buy that story, that we only see a part of their lives. The truth is, it is still happening and it shouldn't be. Oh and as far as it being scripted, I'm sorry but I don't think Jon and Kate could act their way out of a paper sack!

damagedgoods said...

"How much farther will this go, in front of TLC's largest viewing audience? What is the real draw with this show? Is it the cute little children that we seem to see less and less of every week, to make room for their parent's disfunction, or is it Jon and Kate's behavior toward each other that is becoming, at times, more of a train wreck to watch every week?"

I for one believe it is the train wreck that is Jon and Kate. That seems to be why so many of us are really tuning in. That and of course to see how the train wreck affects their precious children. No matter what happens from this point forward, there is no U turn for them. Even if they stopped the show tomorrow they will never be able to go back. Not fully anyway because it's been done. They can certainly turn off their current road and steer down a new one though. It may take some time, but at some point each child will deal with their life situation ( meaning not just the show but how they are parented). Some will handle it better than others, but with 8 kids, the odds are in favor of plenty of battle scars.

seashell said...

I find the renewing of vows a huge insult to my intelligence. I have watched every show...sometimes to see the train wreck, most of the time to see the kids.

I will NOT watch any vow-renewing episode. It just crosses the line with me.

Their "marriage" is a joke. Almost as believable as how much they've needed the love offerings.

Anonymous said...

As far as the show being scripted goes, it could be partially. I know that if you ever watched "Laguna Beach the Real Orange County" it was supposed to be similar in that it followed the everyday lives of a group of teenagers in California. Later some of those teenagers admitted that they were asked to show more hatred towards each other than they really do. By that I mean they really hated each other on the show, but in reality they could tolerate each other. So, the show may be doing something similar just to get more people to watch. Just a thought.

mom2 said...

Hmmmm ... renew vows in Hawaii. Who can disbelieve anything now?? I take it as what it is, a free vacation. The interview couch here lately has another part, the invisible 'cold line' between the 2of them. Take the cameras off and focus on your marriage instead of your 'celebrity'. Kate's bad manners to Jon unfortunately overshadow anything else.

ALSO, put the focus back on THE CHILDREN, who we (I)tune in to see. If I want to see adults behaving badly, I'll go to a family reunion ... !

Anonymous said...

In response to the post: "Are you a family counselor or a pschycologist? You seem to know an awful lot about family dymanics and couple relationships."
This question and questions similar have appeared often on this site. I have read most if not all of the posts and have yet to read a post where the person posting makes claim to having a PHD in any field of psychology, child or otherwise or a degree relating to relationship or marriage counseling. As this blog site clearly defines ; it consists of 'opinion' and 'conjecture' . The definition of conjecture, 'Inference based on incomplete evidence, guesswork'.
More often then not, responses on this blog ( any those similar) IMO are nothing more than opinion based on personal observation and conjecture as it relates to the topic of J & K and the reality show J & K + 8. However, there have been claims of true fact within this blog again the blog site orginator makes no warranty as to the validity of its accuracy.

Kristin said...

I think if Jon and Kate's marriage is the sign of a marriage in distress the divorce rate in America would be 95%. They don't abuse each other. Sure Kate is controlling, and they bicker, but lets be serious. If this is the case maybe my husband and I need some serious counselling.

WatchOverThem said...

Kristin said:
"I think if Jon and Kate's marriage is the sign of a marriage in distress the divorce rate in America would be 95%. They don't abuse each other. Sure Kate is controlling, and they bicker, but lets be serious. If this is the case maybe my husband and I need some serious counselling."

That may be the case for you Kristen, and I hope it doesn't get more serious for you. I seriously doubt that 95% of today's married couples live with this kind of humiliation and disrespect. I, myself, have a wide group of friends and family in many different communities and can only judge by what I have seen in my own life, and honestly? None of them display behavior even close to what I have seen with Jon and Kate. For myself, anyway...and I can only speak for myself, it would suck the love and fun out of every day if I had to live that way. I wouldn't live that way (thank heavens!) and I don't know many that would, for very long.

Chris said...

In response to Kristin - I don't know how you can watch J & K and approve or feel that Kate's behavior is anything but disrespectful and demeaning to her husband. I would never dream of speaking to my husband the way she does Jon, nor he me. And in front of millions of people much less your children? But if it works for you, then hey rock on. All I know is I expect much more from my marriage & partner in life. And yes it IS abuse, it's called verbal & emotional abuse. Calling your husband a tub of lard? Yes that's a real healthy marriage with no signs of distress. Please.
-Chris

Dew said...

It may work for you, and that's fine it's a free country. But my parents had a marriage similiar to Jon and Kate's little arrangement, and I can tell you the affect on the children is often irreversable and very damaging. This kind of tense environment is not condusive to nurturing happy, stress-free children who will go on to form healthy relationships of their own.

Another show, The Farmer's Wife, was a reality show spanning many years that resulted in an unraveling of a marriage and an ugly divorce for the main characters.

Anonymous said...

I dont know where this show is headed. But I surely know that this marriage is more than likely headed for divorce.
I think that Kate and Jon are making themselves look really bad. People are really starting to not like Kates attitude. If the show continues the general public will shun her like they do OJ Simpson.

Tootie said...

Anonymous said...
People are really starting to not like Kates attitude. If the show continues the general public will shun her like they do OJ Simpson.

Isn't that what she wants? Don't wave, don't talk, don't stop...

foureyes said...

It's obvious to me this vow renewal is scripted. Not only because they do not act like a couple in love, but because their anniversary is July 12. Why would you celebrate a renewal of your vows one month after the fact? If it was a planned vow renewal, you'd do it on the anniversary of the day you were married. Anyway, I can't wait to see beautiful Hawaii.

Anonymous said...

"Another show, The Farmer's Wife, was a reality show spanning many years that resulted in an unraveling of a marriage and an ugly divorce for the main characters."

They didn't divorce, and their problems were not because they were being filmed now and then over a period of three years. I think it's different if the cameras are there and you're getting the constant feedback from a weekly seasonal series (especially if you're a narcissist like Kate) and having cameras around which end filming before any video is shown publicly.

http://www.davidsutherland.com/films_wife.html

JillyWilly said...

HAHA a vow renewal show? Who is going to show up from their families and friends???

Anonymous said...

Dew, my parents has/still have a marriage like that and I know first hand how miserable it is. Staying married just for the sake of staying married is no fun for anyone.

Dew said...

The couple on The Farmer's Wife did divorce, from the PBS website:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/farmerswife/etc/update.html

I am not convinced that three years of cameras in their life plus the tremendous success of the series and fame did not play a role in the breakdown of their marriage.

mollybloom said...

I'm amazed how many people on fan sites say they like the show because they can relate to Jon and Kate's marriage. That's sad. Even if some of J&K bickering is staged, and personally I don't think it is because it's a lot more convincing than their "nice" interactions, why would adults intentionally put out this image of themselves? OK, money. What about pride and integrity? Do Jon and Kate have any clue how all of this will affect them and their children in the future? Do they care?

katja said...

The marriage of Jon and Kate - what a thing to aspire to or relate to! If you treat your spouse like that, do something about it. Change your behavior. Seeing someone else do it doesn't make it right. And that is one of the huge problems with this show. People see how Jon and Kate relate to their children and each other, and embrace them as role models.

Anonymous said...

Not sure where to post this, but I just saw an article in Star Magazine in which Kate was giving advise to Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie on how to raise such a large brood.

Wow! No wonder Aunt Jodi and Beth are out! They can't possibly compete with the likes of Brangelina!!!

Sharla said...

I just saw that the article was going to come out and I cannot imagine. It seems pretty nervy on someone's part. Brad and Angelina seem to be doing just fine on their own with any help from Kate. Perhaps the article should have been written the other way around? I expect one of Brad and Angelina's first suggestions would be to get the kids off the cameras so much.

Anonymous said...

My husband calls the show "Jon and Kate Plus Hate" because of their constant bickering... I love it...

Anonymous said...

Not only are the Gosselins in the National Enquirer this week, they are interviewed in US Weekly and STAR Magazine.
I have a feeling this won't be the last time we see them featured in the tabloids. It seems even teenagers are "on" to Jon and Kate. This video is hilarious but spot on!

Anonymous said...

I highly doubt they called the magazines and said "we have advice for Brad and Angelina." The magazine probably called and said "do you have any advice for . . ." to which they gave an answer. I don't know how we can really fault Jon and Kate for this one.

SmaratyQ said...

During the couch session following the episode showing their wedding, one of Kon remarked that they paid for their wedding. Kate muttered, 'No surprise there.' I therefore wonder if, because TLC is footing the bill, Kate will have the wedding blow-out to which she thinks she was entitled. Oh, yuk!

Anonymous said...

Oops, did I forget to link the video?

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGf1WZmOhMk

Sharla said...

I highly doubt they called the magazines and said "we have advice for Brad and Angelina." The magazine probably called and said "do you have any advice for . . ." to which they gave an answer. I don't know how we can really fault Jon and Kate for this one.
I doubt they called the magazine either. No doubt their agent or publicist thought it be a good idea or someone on the magazine. I'm not faulting them for answering the question. I'm just saying I bet Brad and Angelina won't get anything useful from the advice. They seem to have already settled into parenting in their own style very well.

my9cats said...

Anonymous said...
Oops, did I forget to link the video?

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGf1WZmOhMk

OMG ROFLMAO
This is too funny.
Kudos to the kids. The've got it spot on.
Great job.

mollybloom said...

My thoughts:

1) I bet Brad and Angie aren't interested in unsolicited advice from wannabes. I bet they don't read the Star either.

2) My parents had a J&K marriage too. My mom was still blaming him for stuff years after his death. He was passive-aggressive and she was a controller. It wasn't a pretty sight.

3) This week's New Yorker has an interesting piece by Charles Van Doren, of the 1950's quiz show scandal. He talks about how his participation in this television scam affected him and his family. The essay seems a little self-serving, but it is a warning to those who would sacrifice their integrity for money and recognition. He had a very wise father who stood by him however, unlike the Gosselins, who have to climb the family tree to find relatives who will talk to them.

JessieTYCG said...

HAHA a vow renewal show? Who is going to show up from their families and friends???

Well, in Hawaii, everyone is a "cousin", so there you go!

Anonymous said...

That U-Tube Video was GREAT! I loved the part with the kid in the dog crate! Wow- These teens are too funny. razy how teenagers can see this show is a bust and can act out J&K perfectly. I sure hope TLC views this or even J& K for that matter. I am sure at least Jon would get a kick out of it. Too Funny!

FIONA said...

But how awkward that none of Kate's family will be there....

That is going to be soooo odd.

katja said...

"But how awkward that none of Kate's family will be there....

That is going to be soooo odd."



But, Fiona, Kate doesn't notice other people.

Verga said...

How convenient for them it will be thousands of miles away in Hawaii. They can just say oh our family couldn't make it out, too far, too expensive. They have really thought of everything, haven't they?

Anonymous said...

They have a new message on their website.
Unless you are visiting this site, www.sixgosselins.com or TLC’s website, you will not be reading official information about our family.

There are many imposters, people who are claiming to be us, answering emails, chatting online claiming to be us or writing about us…None of these are us! Just so you know!!!

Why is it ok for them to post messages to their fans, upload ads for profit on their website but not update any of the facts? According to the website, Kate is still 26 weeks pregnant and in the hospital on bedrest, oh and of course there are no accounts set up for college.

Lynn/Anon1967 said...

while I realize that I haven't read probably half of whats on the net, I don't remember seeing any comments from people pretending to be them, unless they are talking about the parady, and it's so lifelike that they are really afraid people will mistake it for one of their episodes?

hellokitty said...

"They have a new message on their website."

Wow. Their PR people really have their hands full with these two.

Anonymous said...

That's a good point. I admit I read quite a bit on Jon and kate and have never come across anyone describing an e-mail exchange with Jon or Kate. The one time I read something it was in reference to someone asking them what colors and sizes the tups wear so she cold send gifts. Allegedly, Kate responded with a request for Target gift cards so she could buy them what they wanted.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Brangelina can advise the Gosselins on how to set up a tax shelter "charity foundation" so that when they sell pictures of their kids to the media for attention they can also sock away the money and look humble during the applause for their "selflessness humanitarianism".

Bonus points if Brangelina teaches them to use their "charity foundation" for tax-deductible private jet trips to fancy resorts with their entourage by spending a few minutes down the road getting pics with the local orphans first.

Anonymous said...

That's a good point. I admit I read quite a bit on Jon and kate and have never come across anyone describing an e-mail exchange with Jon or Kate. The one time I read something it was in reference to someone asking them what colors and sizes the tups wear so she cold send gifts. Allegedly, Kate responded with a request for Target gift cards so she could buy them what they wanted.

I've read about "personal email exchanges" between Jon and one of their faithful fans on the ImperfectParent blog. This fan relayed how she emailed Jon to tip him off about Jodi's sister's blog, and allegedly, Jon responded (from his personal email acct, no less) that they were aware and rest assured, it was all LIES.

So, following today's damage- control-propaganda, I guess we're being told that we shouldn't believe "fake Jon" when he calls Julie's posts...LIES?? Maybe the latest official notice will make some of those blindly, blazingly faithful fans say...."HUH??"

Talk about having your cupcake and not eating it too. Idiots.

Nancy said...

Maybe J&K will find some people at "rent-a-family.com" to pose as relatives for the phony vow-renewal...

The Truth Will Set You Free said...

"So, following today's damage- control-propaganda, I guess we're being told that we shouldn't believe "fake Jon" when he calls Julie's posts...LIES?? Maybe the latest official notice will make some of those blindly, blazingly faithful fans say...."HUH??"

I can confirm that the exchange between Jon and the girl from Facebook is true. I have a copy of the emails and it was from Jon's personal email address.

They may be talking about the fake MySpace page. Someone also created a fake account for Jodi and Kevin and made them a "top friend" for J&K. The picture of Kevin and the kids was taken off of an album from Jodi's Facebook. There are thousands of fans on there who seem to believe that it is really J&K. Supposedly, this person is answering email from the fans.

Anonymous said...

"So, following today's damage- control-propaganda, I guess we're being told that we shouldn't believe "fake Jon" when he calls Julie's posts...LIES?? Maybe the latest official notice will make some of those blindly, blazingly faithful fans say...."HUH??"

Did I miss something? Is this an old statement or did something happen today?

iluveeyore said...

This is a "new" statement on J/K's "web site" (and I use that term loosely).