I Tell Myself I'm Going to be Fair

Gawd! You know every episode I tell myself I'm going to be fair, I'm not going to jump all over Kate for nothing. But then two minutes in she will pull out her uber bitch intolerable self and I lose it.

[In tonight's episode, Girls Day Out] I wanted to smack her for telling Jon he doesn't help out. Excuse me??? Is this bitch kidding? This man holds the family together. Ok he has his lazy moments too, but nowhere near the level Kate approaches. There was awhile there when he was working full time and then running around doing Kate's stupid projects all weekend while she whines and complains she didn't get any credit for bringing him up lunch.

He never complains when Kate is lounging around like Cleopatra all day or asks her to get up and help him. How does Kate think these kids get up, dressed, fed and on the bus every day when she sleeps in? How do they get bathed and put to bed at night? Magic? Beth? The camera man? When she was berating Jon on the couch, he didn't really respond and Jen asked him if he had anything to say. He said "no." I mean it's pretty clear he knows there's nothing in the world he can say to reason with Kate, so he's thrown in the towel. I don't blame him.

"Puppy nightmare thing"? The child is FOUR. That is how four year olds paint. If you have half a heart, you will appreciate the "nightmare" for how cute and simple it is and treasure it forever. Agggh!

Mady is hysterical. Kate is all assuming the girls will give what they make to her. Bitch! Shrew! But Mady is like, fuck it, I'm giving mine to Daddy. Go Mady.

Reprinted with permission from Virga.

... beautiful for the innocence it represents...

Louis Pasteur said, "When I approach a child, he inspires in me two sentiments; tenderness for what he is, and respect for what he may become.".

I don't think Kate Gosselin gets it; I think the poster who wrote this does:

I truly do not get Kate and the pottery.

I framed a few pictures children in my life have painted for me. It's precious to me how childlike they are, with the wobbly lines and the distorted figures and drippy paint. That's innocent, darling, something to treasure. By the time they are old enough to paint nice proportioned characters like Kate apparently wants, they will no longer be little children. An art project from a four year old is something to treasure forever, it is beautiful for the innocence that it represents, and shame on Kate uttering one negative comment about her children's work.

Shame on her for covering up a four year old's work of art because she wanted it just so. Shame on her for tricking a child into thinking that she actually cared about what that child was painting. Shame on her for being worried about pottery not being covered "completely" so it would be "perfect," when she should have been enjoying and treasuring the time with her little ones. Shame.

Reprinted with permission from Virga.

Family Movie Night and Girls Day Out

TLC is airing a new Jon & Kate Plus 8 episode tonight -- a one-hour feature starting at 8:00 p.m. Eastern titled Family Movie Night.

This was originally scheduled to air tomorrow night (Monday June 30) as the Season Four premiere, but was pushed back to tonight.

There will be another new one-hour episode airing tomorrow night, titled Girls Day Out. I don't believe this is a new Season Four episode, but a leftover from Season Three.

Aunt Jodi: The Tribe Has Spoken

While the Gosselin children may have many material "blessings", thanks to being exploited by their parents and complicit others, nothing can compare to their Aunt Jodi.

Jodi is married to Kevin Kreider -- Kate Gosselin's brother. Jodi and Kevin have four children of their own, but live near Jon and Kate and have been relied upon heavily to babysit the Gosselin children while Jon and Kate tend to the heavy demands on their time that frequently take them away from some or all of their children.

We have seen quite a bit of Jodi and her interaction with the Gosselin children, and although she is wonderful to behold on her own merits, when contrasted with her shrew of a sister-in-law, she seems even better. We've seen Jodi play with the children -- actually play with them in a natural, spontaneous way, with no tension about grass stains or melted ice cream. We've enjoyed the children cooking with her in the kitchen, playing dress-up, chilling in front of a video, going for walks around the neighborhood, etc.

Jodi seems to have this refreshing mixture of humor, grace, patience, gentleness, and above all an essential maternal nurturing that we feel starved for when watching the children under Kate's jurisdiction. But we've seen her ability to be stern, too, when Mady needed it, although even that situation she approached (physically) on Mady's level, on her knees and locking eyes with her niece and speaking firmly and directly.

Not only is Jodi a joy to watch, but when the children are in her care, they are like different people… we don't see the tension, the pathologies, the whining, the overall desperation displayed so often when it is only Kate herding them through the day. Many of us will never forget how relieved we felt when we saw sick little Joel finally getting a kind word, a rub on his back, a hug and some reassurance when he was feeling so ill... it helped remove the sting we felt at seeing that same little feverish boy berated for vomiting on his comforter and banished to the laundry room floor lest he add any more to Kate's laundry.

Now for the pale underbelly of this scenario. Before filming began for the Jon & Kate Plus 8 second season, Figure 8 Films wanted to pay Jodi for her role in the series. Not only for her babysitting time, of course, but also for the intrusion of the camera crew and equipment into her home... the disruption to her own home and family.

This never reached Jodi's awareness at the time because of Kate's response -- an adamant NO. Her reasoning? In summary and to paraphrase, 'No way! No one gets paid but us!'. The issue of remuneration for the Kreiders was dropped, with Jodi never being aware of it and continuing to help out with the children as she had been doing even back when Jon and Kate were nobodies and the children weren't the nationwide stars they have become; they were simply the nieces and nephews Jodi and Kevin adored.

Fast forward to Season 3, and this time Jodi was approached directly with the offer of a paying contract for continuing to do the show. By now Jodi had seen the scenes in which she was filmed aired on various episodes -- footage that included both Jon and Kate badmouthing her to the camera, characterizing her as an irresponsible ditz, saying condescending things about her way of handling the Gosselin children -- "She tries, bless her heart!".

To her credit, Jodi cared more about her relationship with her nieces and nephews than she did about what Jon and Kate had to say about her and, even though Kate AGAIN vetoed the idea of compensating Jodi, Jodi said that she loved her nieces and nephews and wanted to be in their lives regardless. She said that it wasn't about the money; as long as she could maintain a relationship with the Gosselin children she wanted to keep doing so.

This wasn't good enough for Kate, who was also suffering from the nagging realization that Jodi made Kate look pretty bad by comparison, so a third party was hired to provide the babysitting (and other) services and Jodi is seemingly no longer of use to Jon and Kate.

You know how they do that little ceremony at the end of each season of Survivor, where the remaining two or three players reminisce about all the players who are no longer in the picture? The list of players voted off of Jon and Kate's island continues to grow, with Jodi being only the most recent fatality.

I hope Jodi's replacement doesn't make Kate look bad or her days may already be numbered. I am 48 years old and I wish I had an Aunt Jodi. As much as I am going to miss seeing her on the show, I'm sure it can't compare to how much the children will miss having her in their lives.

Posted by Serena based upon information granted with permission by Jodi's sister, Julie.

Episode Recap - "Boys' Day Out" - 06/23/2008

“Boy’s Day Out”

We start with the previews – Jon takes all three boys out for the very first time! Kate doesn’t have all the ingredients for Monkey Munch! The horror! Screaming kids! Whee!

Then the standard opening, which I am not going to recap. Multiples, stress, blah blah blah. Yep, it’s your life, and I’m glad it’s not mine!

We start on the couch. Jon says this episode will be the first time he has taken all three of his boys out, at the same time. The editing tries very hard to make it look like this is a first, but it turns out this isn’t. Given their age, I can see that it’s hard to do lots of activities that Jon likes that the boys can do. But what about taking the boys to do something they like to do, even if Jon doesn’t particularly want to do it? Its called parenting, Jon!

Debatable Kate Moment #1: Kate mentions they don’t have a lot of room “to be boys”. Subtle hint for TLC to buy them a bigger house, or just the usual gender typing from Kate? Who knows? Also, lots of talk about the boys being outnumbered.

Debatable Kate Moment #2: She’s lying on a carpet, hugging a girl ‘tup. Alexis, I think. Joel comes up from behind, and asks “Mommy, do you miss me?” Kate replies, “I sure do”, without turning to look at her son. Joel says “Then I miss you” and walks on. Kate kisses the girl ‘tup. Do we praise her for showing affection to one of her children, or scream gender bias for brushing off her son who wants attention from her?

Back to the couch, discussing the outnumbering. Jon notes that the boys are outnumbered 5-3. Kate jumps in to say that counting the parents, the ratio is 6-4 boys, and they’re just outnumbered by one. To Kate’s credit, she does laugh when Jon points out that is the same ratio and her math kind of sucks. I like Kate when she can have a chuckle at herself.

Next sequence “Boys are just dirty”. Kate inspects Aaden’s nails at the dining table and clips them. Ewwwwwwwwwwww! Kate has a lot to say about how dirty boys are. But at least they aren’t clipping their own nails where people eat – Mommy does that for them! Kate also says “Boys are new and interesting to us – we’re just learning about them”. So does that mean that Jon doesn’t have boy parts? Is he a Ken doll beneath those khaki shorts? Or is she using the royal “we”?

More talk about the difference between boys and girls. Girls are more emotional and needy and verbal and prone to outbursts. But they listen better and take instructions better. Boys don’t listen and compute as well. Girls are more helpful. In other words, girls > boys.

Golf day! Kate tells Jon what she wants the boys to wear because she wants them to look nice. Jon wants them to be warm. Kate asks when they’re moving to warmer weather? “Soon”.

One of the boys adorably puts on Jon’s golf shoes and walks around in them. The littler girls adorably hug and kiss the boys before they go out the door (Mady and Cara were in school). Jon voice-overs that he has never taken the boys out “to do anything”. Kate hastily corrects “to do a boys day”. She states that he has taken them out shopping for guy stuff. Jon agrees, but seems to think that doesn’t count because it’s not fun. Jon clearly hasn’t been shopping in the right places then!

After the commercial break, Alexis cheerfully waves for the camera. Leah sits on the time out mat and cries that she wants her daddy. I’m a little scared that I can finally tell those two apart without subtitles. Kate “decides” they’ll do a project and make Monkey Munch. She reads the list of ingredients and “realizes” they are out of powdered sugar. She then fake-calls around and nobody has enough powdered sugar to lend her. So she decides to take all three (gasp!) to the store, seemingly shocked that such a thing is possible! How can the Queen of Organization be experiencing this phenomenon for the first time? How will she cope?

Jon takes the boys to a par 3 course. First they stop at a sporting goods store for boy-sized golf clubs. I think this is the kind of shopping that Jon enjoys. Kate comes out of the supermarket, with a refreshing lack of drama. There is some drama when she’s buckling the girls in. She notes that Alexis typically says she wants to pee so Kate threatens to not make Monkey Munch when they get home. Drama!

We’re at the golf course! They practise putting, and it’s adorable. Aw, the boys have their own couch interview! Collin says “We were pushing it”. Aaden spazzes about “going round and round”. The little boys had fun, yay!

Debatable Kate Moment #3. She asks Jon “So, do we have any Tigers in our bunch?” Mother expressing curiosity about how her sons did in golf, or mother looking to exploit the snot out of any budding golf prodigies? At least she didn’t call them “dirty” this time. Jon decidedly does not think they have any Tigers.

Jon’s right. At this age, these kids aren’t well-coordinated, and not that motivated to do well in golf. But, they are having fun! They’re even allowed to run around on grass, although Jon does warn them not to tear up the greens, like any responsible golfer would. Jon is clearly much more okay about grass stains than Kate. Kate says “I thought the greens was the grass”. Jon explains grass and greens and par 3 to Kate. She makes a face.

The boys basically run around, then eat snacks on the golf cart. Collin scolds Joel for “getting me dirty!” In a moment I wish we’d see more of, Jon tells Collin to stop freaking out, it’s okay if everyone gets dirty, and says “Your mother has got you brain-warped, thinking you have to be a clean boy all the time.” He says he doesn’t care if they get dirty! I think Jon found more than his golf balls in his golf bag, if you know what I mean.

Monkey Munch making time! Kate is using a blurred out box. Does this mean she’s using food that isn’t a product placement? Yay! The girls help her count cups of whatever she’s adding to the ingredients. They’re allowed to help her measure cereal and chocolate chips. Then they watch her add the melted chocolate and peanut butter. She has a challenge finding enough spatulas and spoons for all three to lick – I’m impressed they are even allowed to lick them. I guess Kate wasn’t clipping anyone’s nails around the spatulas.

As staged as I think this Monkey Munch shopping/making sequence was, the girls had fun. And that is what I like to see!

Back at the golf course. The 11th hole, to be exact. There are wooden stairs that the boys find more exciting than golf. So Jon played golf, and the boys ran up and down the stairs, playing. Jon wanders out around the corner where he can’t see the boys – Bad Dad alert! Always keep the boys where you can see them! He does eventually park them in the cart so he can keep an eye on them.

Kate asks dumb questions about the course, saying, “I’ve never been to a golf course”. Jon fake-mutters for the camera, then says “You’re never going to go, because that’s my safe haven”. They both laugh. Kate said that Jon said she could sit on the cart and read a magazine when they’re older. Jon wisely predicts that she’ll criticize his playing even while she’s sitting on the cart. He'll probably also be breathing too loud.

Kate picks up on that the boys weren’t playing golf with Jon on their day out together, but he says they did have fun, and admits they got into someone’s flowers and mulch. And other than some shots of them looking bored on the cart, there are great shots of them running around and playing with each other and just having fun.

Home time. Jon carries the sleeping boys in – running around wore them out! This pleases Kate. Kate previews that the next day out is a girls' day out and she has to point out that she’s taking five out to Jon’s three. Like she’s the first mother ever to go out with five children at the same time. Stay tuned for that train wreck!

Note: I don’t have a problem with Jon not playing with the boys, even if this was supposed to be a day for all of them – they really weren’t into golf, and he didn’t force them to play it if they didn’t want to. He let them do what they wanted to do, and he got to play some golf without Kate breathing down his neck. I played golf with my dad a lot and I’m not going to roll my eyes about golf being a “boys” game, Kate.

What Jon Does All Day

Dateline or 20/20?

I wonder why Dateline or 20/20 hasn't picked up on the Gosselins. If the Gosselins truly have nothing to hide or to be ashamed of, you would think the family would welcome an investigation to get at the truth. Reputable journalists have the resources and the staff to reach the truth, and either this story would become an exposé to a very greedy set of parents or it would clear the Gosselins of any allegations of exploiting their children. It's time someone protects the children and you would think TLC would place the welfare of these children before profits.

Another question I have, does anyone know if an online petition has been started to cancel this show?

Reprinted with permission from beachluvin.

A Serious Question for Jon and Kate Gosselin Supporters

Although I am new to this blog, I feel quite aware of the ever present people who are willing to name call, insult and curse at those individuals who have disgust for the charade that the eight Gosselin children are forced into costume for, to provide entertainment to television watchers wherever one can tune into TLC. I am, quite frankly, tired of being unable to have a conversation or stating an opinion without being called "jealous" or "petty." It seems to be a common trend.

I think that those people who continue to misunderstand the people who speak out against the Gosselins don't understand that what the Gosselins are doing is truly despicable. Everyone can let out a big *yawn* after this statement, because what I am saying is not going to be breaking headlines for anyone reading, but I do think that some things need to be put into perspective...

FACT: In accordance with the Fair Labor Standards Act, young workers are protected from employment that may interfere with their education or that may be detrimental to the child's health or well-being.

FACT: Jon and Kate Gosselin are allowed to have their eight children create income for them because of a loophole in legislation that allows children under fourteen to work only if their employment is exempt from the child labor standers not covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act. One of the exemptions covers performing in theatrical, motion picture, or broadcast productions and work in a business owned by the parents of the child.

The problem with what the Gosselins are doing is twofold for me. First, they are allowing their children to be viewed on television by anyone that knows how to turn on a television, and second, they are profiting from such exploitation. I classify their acts as exploitation because of this: I would not allow strangers into my home to videotape my children, fully clothed, or naked, on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis. Specifically, I would not allow my children's resultant video to be placed in national circulation for any sicko (yes, sicko) to pick up and watch.

The Gosselin lovers out there did not like when I stated that large "slathering" doses of butter leads to heart attacks, and I would like to direct those individuals to the following link which provides the nutritional data for butter.

However, I do not believe that anyone can disagree with the fact that the number of known existent child sexual predators is distressing and very worrisome. It is for that reason that we tell our children not to talk to strangers.

Although I assume that the production team for "Jon and Kate" has undergone thorough background investigations, I cannot say the same for every person that watches or has access to the program. In fact, I would venture to say that a child molester that has been released from prison and is not able to access the internet but that can watch television would turn directly to TLC to watch this show.

I realize what I am saying is probably highly offensive to some people and will be thoroughly torn through in comments, but to quote a classic "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn!" People want to know why people have such a serious problem with "Jon and Kate" and I just gave my biggest one.

I have a feeling that no matter what reason is given, it will be dismissed as irrationality caused by jealousy, however, I have come to the conclusion that if people cannot empathize with the fact that allowing your children to be placed on television, naked, each week, is a problem, then there is no sense to even make any other argument.

So, I would like to conclude with this final question: Would any reader here be comfortable with the fact that a sexual predator (previously arrested or not) has access to videos of your children?

Reprinted with permission from Mrs. Ricardo.

One can only hope.

I think it would be wonderful if the Jon & Kate + 8 show would end after what is bound to be a hellish production schedule with this new season of 40-50 shows coming up. The children are getting older and more independent with thought, word and deed. With every episode they are becoming more effected by filming, scheduling and what the show has done detrimentally to the personalities of their parents and the dynamics of their family. It's unfortunate that there has to be this year for them to go through, but one must hit bottom before things can improve, at times. We can only hope. Hope that the contrived and scripted episodes that have become more and more painful and boring to watch get even more so this coming season, so that the kids can be free of the responsibility that their birth put upon them to maintain family income. (Seriously, FIFTY of them? But, it's just cameras and crew following the children around, not bumping into their space, needs, emotions or lives, right?) People will still watch, looking for the remaining "toddler" cuteness that is quickly fading and for the train wreck editing that does provide that macabre sort of entertainment. I will still watch, wondering when and what will finally take this immature and self-centered set of parents down. It won't be pretty, watching Kate have the tantrum of all tantrums when she finds that she really is just middle-class average and may not have the continuing income to keep her fab self up with spa days, surgery, lipo and botox without going back to work herself or requiring her husband to get an education and a better job, along with some ambition. He may jump ship as the show jumps...you know. Ongoing speaking engagements? Pahleeeze. She may have enough residuals to maintain some aspects of that lifestyle, residuals that should perhaps be held in trust for those 8 little reasons that created her 15 minutes of fame. Fame that has made her the "Hot Slut of the Week" on the "dlisted" site. Nice. As the tups become more Mady-like, will our disgust create a situation where the show becomes unprofitable? For Mady's sake, it may be her only way out.

I wish the best for this family in months and years to come, as there are many innocent children involved. I do see that Kate Gosselin (and Jon) are probably becoming WAY too big for their small-town, greedy, faux fame grabbing britches. I think their deceptive messages and greed will rip those britches to shreds, the sooner the better to get the kids out of production. I think that they can keep income from various avenues going for a while, but those avenues will become more and more of a "been there done that" cliché and so will they. I also see that the Gosselins are burning many bridges and this will be their ultimate downfall. It could very well be that the golden formula of cute little kids, inflammatory parents and the production/editing that created that fragile golden formula and the show's "success" would falter from some very small detail or influence. If the scales are tipped too much, the formula no longer works and I see the Gosselins becoming the largest flea on a dead dog. On behalf of the kids, one can only hope.

Free the Gosselin 8.

A Lightning Rod

Poster wigamer made this comment on a recent blog entry:

I may regret coming out of anonymity, I don't know. Here goes nothin':

I've wondered why this woman engenders so much hatred, and the only thing I can come up with is that she must represent something bigger than herself. The vitriolic reaction to her is sometimes so out of proportion to her actual "crimes". I find her disagreeable and annoying, and her choice to expose her children to the world seems to be a terrible mistake.

But I think it goes deeper than Kate's many foibles. I think she has become a lightning rod for some of the feelings that mothers in this country have to deal with. There is so much pressure on a woman to be (and look)perfect in our society.

Look at parenting books, parenting blogs, magazines, television, the message is clear: to be the ideal mother you have to breastfeed your children,and if for some reason you don't (you're probably too lazy and selfish) you must investigate every bottle nipple for toxic chemicals, though you probably won't be able to afford the safe ones. Thoroughly investigate immunizations, because if you don't your child will probably be autistic & it will be your fault. Organic baby food is the way to go, homemade preferably. Your child should be on a set schedule for sleeping (never on the stomach!) and eating. Wait, no, research shows attachment parenting is so much better, your kid needs to be with you 24/7. And that's just infancy.

In my opinion, (and it's just opinion) mothers are constantly sold a message of inadequacy, and Kate seems to have bought it hook, line, and sinker. Striving, striving, for perfection with her organic cooking, tummy-tuck, hyper-organization, crazy cleaning, rigid control. And she's proud of it. It's all designed to look great on the outside, but I promise you it's hollow and joyless on the inside. And it's all being brought to us via heavily edited phony "reality" TV footage that tries to make a character out of a real person. Yuck to all of it, I say!

Again, take all that for what it was worth...a very long-winded 2 cents.

I can understand where wigamer is coming from. I think that, among mothers, probably the single most polarizing topic -- even above religion and politics -- is parenting itself.

So many mothers stew in guilt and performance anxiety, causing so much emotional angst that they sublimate it anywhere they possibly can. And what better target than a woman with the audacity to live her life under a scrutiny far more acute than any of us would dream of agreeing to? Someone who could be seen as "just asking for it".

Then, add to that mixture, Kate's narcissistic personality that not only blinds her to her faults, but makes her believe she really is deserving of the idolatry that many hold for her.

I'm not saying that all critics of Kate fall into this category; it doesn't take being a parent or even suffering a bit of parental guilt to feel plenty of outrage for what Jon and Kate are dragging their children through and for how they are deceiving the public. It is one thing to admit that one has the occasional less than stellar parenting moment, but it is on a whole other level to orchestrate and keep alive the circus that is the Gosselin life.

And it seems like just when we think we've seen the worst, a new episode airs and Jon and Kate just dig their hole even deeper. These are people who will pursue any and every freebie, donation, or sponsorship with no compunction, no hesitation at the thought that in order to reap the benefits their children must be exploited and their public must be deceived. THAT complaint has nothing to do with maternal guilt and a convenient scapegoat.

Organic "Monkey Munch" and Fingernails on the Dinner Table

I am not going to deny the entertainment encompassed into the 30 to 60 minute episodes of "Jon and Kate plus 8". In fact, the debauchery is quite entertaining a good percentage of the time. However, my entertainment derives from the children, not the adults. And that in and of itself is something that I consider disturbing. I am not entertained by Jon and Kate's "insightful" couch talks, in fact, their "couch confessionals" usually make me cringe. Many of the comments made by Jon, specifically, liken my emotions to the sensation I feel when I watch an awkward moment on NBC's "The Office." The main difference is that "The Office" is scripted to be awkward, Jon and Kate seemingly create the awkwardness all on their on. An example that stands out most to me is the comment made by Jon in one of the original specials... something to the effect of "I want to take a paper cutter and cut her stomach off" (not an exact quote).

The plot deepens when people all over the nation are listening to these two as if Zeus had sent a message from the mountain. Having babies does not make a person an eligible "advice giver," especially when the person giving advice, at the cost of their children's dignity and "love offerings" by faithful church goers, has no idea what they are talking about. Why do I say that Jon and Kate Gosselin have no idea what they are talking about? It is really quite simple. People are mostly impressed by the Gosselins because of the apparent organization that they have over a household that seems as if it should be chaotic. The truth is quite obvious... they actually have no control over their household. This is evidenced by the fact that they don't actually do anything for themselves and when they do something for themselves it is derived from money raised by plastering their naked children sitting on toilets on national television. Their sense of entitlement is disgusting and the micromanagement of their household is not as up to par as they would like to portray it....

Kate Gosselin prides herself on feeding her children organic food because of the health benefits. That is wonderful and I am sure that this has influenced at least one family to do the same. Problem is that folloing Kate's influence and eating organic isn't going to save any lives. In fact, following Kate's prompt will actually contribute to the leading cause of deaths in this country... heart disease. Am I the only one that got a load of the amount of butter that this woman uses. It is slathered on the bread and in the baked goods that she is always making. Wonderful influence on America, Kate! And I notice that someone said something about this before: "sugar is sugar." I don't think that Kate has any idea what "organic" means. It doesn't mean that I can sit there and eat a bag of chocolate chips and powdered sugar and still be healthy.

The thing that most annoys me is the "cleanliness" issue. Any person that cuts fingernails on the kitchen table and removes staples from her husband's head at the dinner table is not a "clean freak." In fact, I nearly gagged when she started clipping fingernails while the kids were sitting around the table eating.

All of this being said, Jon and Kate Gosselin are human beings, like me, and are not perfect. In addition to this, they have the daunting but blessed task of raising eight beautiful children. They may be doing the best that they can with the cards that they have been dealt, but until you are willing to have camera crews come in and watch your kid poop every day, I don't think you can truly align yourselves with this pair, because these two are truly one of a kind.

Specifically, I find issue with those people that "only have two children" and who are constantly insulted by Kate, who seems to think that parents with only a normal amount of children have it easy, but still support the woman. News flash Kate, people with one, two, three, or even eight children (not multiples) will never receive the privileges that you and your flock have...

Now to answer the ever persistent question: "Why watch the show if you hate it?" As stated at the beginning of this post, I am in fact entertained by the children. Their adorableness is undeniable. The truth is that I do sometimes feel "wrong" by watching the show because the children really are being exploited, however, I am not perfect and I do continue to watch the show, just like some of the people who disagree with my post have continued to read it.

Reprinted with permission from Mrs. Ricardo.

Unabridged: Gosselin Wikipedia Article

As most of you know, some of my Wikipedia article has been removed and I have been banned. I do not believe either was justified, as the article was properly cited with valid sources such as the New York Times and the Reading Eagle. This was what I was able to salvage. Take what you wish from it. All references ARE available upon request.

Here is the article as it appeared on Wikipedia, with sources. Take it for what it's worth:

Jon & Kate Plus 8 is a reality television show produced in the United States by Figure 8 Films about the Gosselin family, consisting of parents Jon and Kate and their eight children - a set of twins (both girls), and a set of sextuplets (3 girls and 3 boys). The show follows the family through their daily lives, focusing on the challenges of raising multiple children. The show originally aired on Discovery Health but starting with Season 3, airs Mondays at 9:00pm ET/PT on TLC. The family originally appeared in a one hour special titled Surviving Sextuplets and Twins. It's also been reported that the show draws in an average of 2.5 million viewers per episode, making it one of the most-watched reality series on TV. The family lives in Central Pennsylvania.


* 1 Story
* 2 Controversy
* 3 Family
o 3.1 Parents
o 3.2 Twins
o 3.3 Sextuplets
* 4 Seasons
* 5 Videos and books


Kate Gosselin has three sisters, Christen, Kendra and Clairissa, and a brother, Kevin. Kevin is often seen on the television series with his wife, Jodi, and their children Ashtyn, Braden, Alyssa, and Bennett. They were shown watching the Gosselin children during the "Mady's Day", "Cara's Day", "Leah's Day", "Hannah's Day", "Alexis' Day" and "Jon's Hair Raising Experience" episodes during season three.

Jonathan Gosselin is also the middle child of three boys born to Thomas Gosselin and his Korean wife. His brothers are Thomas and Mark. His father, Thomas Gosselin, was a pediatric dentist who died in January, 13, 2005, according to his obituary in the Reading Eagle,published on January 15,2005.[1] Jon and Kate have often referred to Dr. Gosselin as the only involved grandparent. The remaining grandparents "are not a part of their every day lives" [2]

Jon and Kate Gosselin met on October 5, 1997 at a picnic. According to the "How It All Began" episode, Jon was working at a hotel and Kate had just graduated from her nursing program. According to Kate, "I never believed in 'love at first sight', but this came really close." They were married on June 12, 1999 in "a perfect garden wedding with equally perfect weather". In the "How It All Began" episode of season three, they also said they paid for the wedding themselves.

Kate wanted to have children right away. She had a feeling that she would not be able to conceive, so she underwent testing and was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome. So, they decided to turn to fertility treatments and to start trying immediately, in case it took a while. The specific treatment they used is called intrauterine insemination or IUI, where no embryos were left over from the procedure.[3] By February, however, Kate was pregnant with twins. They were thrilled and even admitted to praying for twins because they were both baby crazy and feared they would fight over one baby. On October 8, 2000, Cara Nicole and Madelyn Kate were born, after a "rough" pregnancy.[4]

When the girls turned one, Kate began to think about the possibility of having another child, while Jon was not so sure. On the couple's appearance on The Oprah Winfrey Show that aired on February 22, 2008, Kate admitted that she wanted to have another child because she wanted to know what it felt like to not have to split her time between two babies, while Jon was hesitant because he felt like the world is built for a family of four. According to Kate, a Korean infant became available while Kate was an obstetrics nurse. They decided not to adopt the baby boy, but instead return to fertility treatment.[5] Jon and Kate agreed to try again. By October, Kate was pregnant. Five weeks later,(after being hospitalized for over-stimulated ovaries) at the initial ultrasound, the doctor announced that there were seven sacs and began to count how many of these sacs had yolks, or babies, inside of them. According to Kate, "By ‘four’ I was pretty crazy, by ‘five’ I was sobbing. Then they found 'six' and 'seven'. (One baby didn’t develop on its own)". The doctor suggested selective reduction, but they were absolutely against doing so.

As Kate describes it, "Your whole life flashes in front of your eyes...we had a house that was too small, we didn’t have a vehicle big enough, we didn’t have the income that would be required…there were just all these things flying at us. All those thoughts flooding through my mind equalled completely impossible".[5] After experiencing the "worst weekend of [her] entire life", Jon took the girls to the family's church. He asked if he should tell anyone about their situation, and Kate agreed that he should so that the church could start praying for their family. As soon as church was over, Jon and Kate received many calls of encouragement. According to Kate, "I began to feel like we could do this! With God's help, of course!"

In an article written for orato.com, Kate admitted that the video of her when she was pregnant with the sextuplets was actually three weeks before she gave birth. She added: "I remember lying in the hospital bed thinking, ‘No matter how far I get these babies, it’s never going to be far enough'. Getting to 32 weeks was my goal, but that would still be eight weeks premature, times six. Every day starting at about 23 weeks I had an ultrasound to make sure that all of them were still alive, and each and everyday was just as nerve wracking as the one before. There wasn’t an ounce of relief until they were all home. Not long after we had them home, Jon whirled around one day with complete frustration and exhaustion in his voice and said, 'Do you realize we have been walking on eggshells now for an entire year?' That was the honest truth".

On May 10, 2004, Kate gave birth to three girls and three boys: Alexis Faith, Hannah Joy, Aaden Jonathan, Collin Thomas, Leah Hope and Joel Kevin.[6]


Public scrutiny of the Gosselin Family began when Kate Gosselin appealed a Medicaid decision to no longer continue to provide a full time nurse for the sextuplets after the age of one year. Kate is quoted as saying, "I am urging them to see us as a rare situation, which we are," she said. "And I am begging them to make a special exception. They are six individuals. One mom cannot take care of them. "I might be able to meet their physical needs, but not the emotional needs. It is very difficult. I'm talking about time to talk about feelings, read books and the absolute bare necessities to get done. I cannot do it five days a week." [6] When this became public, the community learned that Jon had also been unemployed for 8 months while his wife was pregnant and after the sextuplets were born. He claims he was fired for applying for medical insurance for his wife's pregnancy, but this is unconfirmed. [7]

Despite their website claiming there are no college funds[8], the Lt. Governor of Pennsylvania did set up TAP funds for all eight children, as announced during the sextuplet's first birthday party. The press release is as follows:

If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account, you can do so by making your check payable to “TAP 529,” writing “Gosselin” in the memo portion of the check, and sending your contributions to: Gosselin Sextuplets and Twins Accounts, TAP Bureau, 218 Finance Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120. More information on the Tuition Account Program can be obtained by calling 1-800-440-4000 or by visiting the Treasury website and clicking on Tuition Account Program.[9]

Due to privacy issues, the amounts donated to these accounts is not known, and may or may not be substantial.

The Gosselins are currently in the fourth season of Jon and Kate Plus 8.Jon claims in several episodes of the show that he is now self employed after quitting his job with the Governors Office in Harrisburg.[10] Both Gosselins are doing public speaking about their experiences as the parents of twins and sextuplets. [11][12] [13] They expect to receive love offerings at these events, and also sell autographed photos. They currently charge $10 for individual pictures of the children and $20 for a larger picture with everyone.[14]

Kate mentioned in the original TLC special that "the two-year olds" had never had fast food, and that they try to prepare organic food as much as possible. On the TLC special Jon and Kate: Surviving Sextuplets and Twins, a McDonald's cup can be seen on the bedstand when Mady wakes up Cara to help Kate fold clothes. Also, during "The Gosselins Go Skiing", Jon brings three of the sextuplets Happy Meals from McDonald's for their lunch break from ski school.

The reality show has created controversy throughout the viewing community. They are the first family to have a reality show starring children at such young ages (Madelyn and Cara were 5 and the sextuplets were 2 when the series started) The long term results are still unknown. Also, despite their website claiming there are no college funds [8] the Governor of Pennsylvania did set up TAP funds for all eight children, as announced during the sextuplet's first birthday party. The press release is as follows:

If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account, you can do so by making your check payable to “TAP 529,” writing “Gosselin” in the memo portion of the check, and sending your contributions to: Gosselin Sextuplets and Twins Accounts, TAP Bureau, 218 Finance Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120. More information on the Tuition Account Program can be obtained by calling 1-800-440-4000 or by visiting the Treasury website and clicking on Tuition Account Program.

Due to privacy issues, the amounts donated to these accounts is not known, and may or may not be substantial.

The third season of the series has created increasing controversy, including Kate's treatment of Joel when he had a stomach virus on the

Their book, Multiple Ble8sings, written by Jon and Kate Gosselin and Beth Carson, is being released in November 1, 2008 and can be pre-ordered through Amazon.com.



* Jonathan "Jon" Gosselin (born April 1, 1977 (1977-04-01) (age 31)) is half Korean (Korean mother, French/Welsh father), and is a former I.T. analyst. He now engages in public speaking.[7][8][9]
* Kate "Katie" Gosselin (born March 28, 1975 (1975-03-28) (age 33)), is a former registered nurse. She quit her job to take care of the children full-time. She also engages in public speaking events with her husband.[10][dead link]


The twins were born on October 8, 2000 (2000-10-08) (age 7). They will enter second grade in the fall of 2008 in a private school. They were born just six minutes apart. In birth order, they are Cara Nicole Gosselin and Madelyn "Mady" Kate Gosselin.


The sextuplets were born on May 10, 2004 (2004-05-10) (age 4) at Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center in Hershey, Pennsylvania. All six children were delivered within a span of three minutes with more than fifty doctors, nurses and other specialists involved. Since the sextuplets were born in Hershey, they are called "Hershey Kisses" by the nurses and doctors who delivered them.[citation needed]

In birth order they are:

* Alexis Faith Gosselin – 2 lb 11.5 oz, 15 inches long. Nicknamed "Lexi" or "Sassy".
* Hannah Joy Gosselin – 2 lb 11 oz, 13.8 inches long. Nicknamed "Hannie".
* Aaden Jonathan Gosselin – 2 lb 7.5 oz, 13 inches long. Nicknamed "Ay-day" and "the professor". He is the only child that wears glasses.
* Collin Thomas Gosselin – 3 lb 0.5 oz, 15 inches long. Nicknamed "Coggy" or "Collie". He is the biggest of the six.
* Leah Hope Gosselin – 2 lb 14.8 oz, 15.4 inches long. Nicknamed "Princess" or occasionally "Le-le". She is the smallest of the six.
* Joel Kevin Gosselin – 2 lb 9.7 oz, 15.4 inches long. Nicknamed "Joelie".

When picking the kids' names, Jon and Kate selected names they liked for first names, but the middle names were more meaningful: Aaden after Jon, Collin after Jon's late father, and Joel after Kate's brother. The girls are all named for fruits of the spirit, taken from Galatians 5:22-23 in the Bible, according to Jon. However, "hope" is not referenced in that bible passage.[11]


* Jon, Kate, and family friend Beth Carson have written a book called Multiple Blessings to be released November 1, 2008. Originally, the book was listed with Kate Gosselin and Beth Carson as the authors;[12] Jon was added as an author after the initial press release, but before publication.[13]
* Seasons 1 and 2 of Jon and Kate Plus 8 will be available on DVD as of July 16, 2008, which will only be distributed online by Discovery.[14]
* Jon and Kate are managed by Media Motion International in Los Angeles. [15]


Currently, there are three seasons of Jon and Kate Plus 8. Usually one or two new episodes air on Monday nights. Two episodes aired during the Writers' Strike while one episode tends to air now. Occasionally an episode will be 1 hour long.

Reprinted with permission from Steph.

Reading words into our posts

I find many replies to our posts and comments on this blog take what a few of us post as our concerns, or passing conversation regarding the Gosselin children and put words into our mouths stating we are claiming "abuse" with every comment or concern we write about. I would like to see how many incidental posts and replies here are really talking about claims of physical abuse, rather than poor decisions from the foolish antics, decisions and behavior we may see Jon and Kate make as parents. We are simply discussing the fact that they have put themselves on television and open themselves up to public scrutiny with their immature and self-absorbed style of parenting. Any family signing contracts to be on television week after week, year after year would open themselves up to the same type of conversation and scrutiny. I know that in our everyday lives we all do things that may have not been the best choice at the time, but I'm sure most of us try to learn and grow and change from those mistakes within the privacy and protection of our own sweet anonymity. I have to say, however, that some people (J&K) create so much more content than others and should expect to be the topic of such conversation if television is where they decide to go with their drama! Get over yourselves, Jon & Kate and sheeple, if the bad press is "emotionally disturbing" to you, you have no one to blame but yourselves. We have seen you emotionally disturb your kids every week with behavior that may have happened in my home just a few times a year when my children were little! (See? I admitted to some drama, myself. Did I use the word abuse? I know that in replies to this post, it will come up.) As I posted previously, it's all in the degrees.

Some of us do have concerns about the stressful schedule that seems to make an already tightly strung, self-absorbed and not-too-bright mother louder and more out of control toward her children and husband than might be without the marriage of Kate and Figure 8, and scheduling that may be exploiting circumstances of these children's lives. Our concerns are, of course, for the Gosselin children, but also those children that may follow in the industry.

"Every Body's Talking"

The following quote is taken from an article in The Washington Post/Health on June 24, 2008. (You can read the whole article on your computer.)

The article is entitled "Every Body's Talking." It was written by Joe Navarro, who spent 25 years working for the FBI, pretty much "reading" body language. This quote is about an observation he makes about a married couple in their 30's. He is observing them standing on a line to board a ship for a cruise:

I think everyone can decipher this one from afar because we have all seen situations like this. What most people will miss is something I have seen this young man do twice now, which portends poorly for both of them. Every time she looks away, he "disses" her. He smirks and rolls his eyes, even as she stands beside him. He performs his duties, pulling their luggage alone; I suspect he likes to have her luggage nearby as a barrier between them. I won't witness the dissolution of their marriage, but I know it will happen, for the research behind this is fairly robust. When two people in a relationship have contempt for each other, the marriage will not last.

Girl's Day Out

Will Kate be able to manage a whopping five girls on her own or will she have to take a helper? Are they really going to make it to a pottery place and will "these kids" be allowed to actually paint pottery after washable markers were too much for her?

Boys Day Out

This had to be the most boring episode I have ever seen... possibly beyond watching grass grow.

If you don't open your mouth, people might think you're a fool. If you open your mouth, you remove all doubt. Was Kate, or was she not, a fool trying to talk about golf. Jon looked totally disgusted with her.

It was so lovely to watch Kate cuddle a girl and totally ignore her son when he asked if she would miss him. Her screed about how dirty and gross boys are was pure evil. Of course, she then had to clean Aaden's nails while they were eating... but she also removed staples at the dinner table so it probably doesn't mean much to her. Those poor little boys don't seem to get any warmth from their mother at all. Oh yes -- she does like to dress them cute!

Weren't we lucky to be able to watch Jon swing that club? And watch the boys run around like -- boys. It should be a crime to use up public air space for such idiocy. Poor Collin was so upset about getting dirty -- he knew what was in store for him when Kate saw his clothes. When Jon told him that it was OK to get dirty, he got a glazed look in his eyes and could not comprehend what he was hearing. One wonders what Kate had to say when she watched that scene.

As for the girls in the supermarket (scene set up at all?), you can make powdered sugar from regular sugar -- unnecessary trip. And the kids sitting in the grocery part of the cart is extremely dangerous. I actually know a little girl who fell out of the cart, cracked her head, and ended up in the ER... a 4-year-old little girl. But Kate does whatever she wants to do.

I will say there was one scene in which I wanted to cheer. After being buckled in the van, Alexis said she wanted to pee and Kate told her that she could pee when they got home! FINALLY! I guess there were no potties in the little van.

Did anyone notice that when Kate was strapping the girls in the van, one of the girls did not want to be strapped -- and Kate told her "OK, when we get home, you take a nap." Obviously, naps -- or the threat of naps -- have become the new method of punishment!

I agree, Kate looked like hell. And Jon looked better than usual... probably because he'd managed to escape.

Jon Undermines Kate-Retaliates By Eye Rolling

Sometimes I think, how immature and ignorant Jon and Kate Gosselin are.

Why did Jon take his 3 little boys to a Par 3 golf course? Why didn't he just take them to a mini-putt? This way Jon could golf himself and show off. Who cares about Jon Gosselin golfing?

The part that really bothered me was when Joel was getting Colin dirty, and Colin clearly did not want to be dirty. I am sure he can put two and two together at this point and realizes by coming home dirty will only turn Kate on him....what else might my Mommy threaten to throw away??? God that is sad.

But the real bugger for me was the way Jon handled it. He told the boys their mother had brainwashed them into thinking getting dirty was bad. Ok. Jon is right. But these are 4 year old boys-can you imagine how CONFUSED these guys are? We can get dirty and roll around on the grass when we are just with Daddy, but when it is Mommy and Daddy, we can't!!!

Jon, grow some MANBERRIES. Rolling your eyes in the confessional chair while Kate babbles on does not equate to being a man. It just reinforces the fact that you are a wuss. And the only time you are brave enough to show it is when Kate isn't looking.


Reprinted with permission from Fiona.

Kate is Definitely Uncomfortable

After watching last nights episode where Jon takes the boys out to golf, I felt that Kate was very uncomfortable while the cameras were on her. I have been watching the show since the beginning and feel like I have seen her many moods and personality caught on camera enough to make this assumption. My first comment refers to when she was buckling Alexis in her car seat and Alexis said she needed to pee. Now I realize that kids can manipulate and are probably learning some great tricks that Kate herself employs. But this is the tup that also vomits at will. Kate just seemed pissed off during all of that footage. I thought the way she shut the van door was like.."just leave me the hell alone"...And once home, Kate who usually is always mugging at the camera for validation, was clearly NOT doing that. She was barely going thru the motions with her 3 little girls. I have a feeling that all of the bad publicity is getting to Kate-maybe Jon not so much. While Kate seems tough and bitchy on the outside, my guess is she gets HER feelings hurt easily. I think she is very much struggling with the fact that many, many people do not like her and find what she is doing with her children terrible parenting.

Also, during the chair time with Jon, she looked haggared and sad. That woman shocks over the littlest things. "Where were the boys playing"...."could you see them"....Plus-is Kate just STUPID? I don't know alot about sports but I pretty much know the basics of them all. She had NO clue about golf! This woman who is in such dire need for her kids to have life experiences, doesn't want them for herself. Kate is a sad and sick woman who desperatly needs help.

Reprinted with permission from Fiona.

Tom and Trix Plus Six

This parody blog has been updated with Episode Six. "Trading Spouses" with the Duggars!

Breaking the Fourth Wall

Now you see it, now you don't...depending upon what reality television production wants you to believe about the making of Jon & Kate plus Eight. I think it's very easy and comfortable for many viewers to sit and watch these shows with no discernment at all as to what it actually requires to create a show like this week after week. I am more likely to watch with more interest in how and why this show happens, and what it takes to keep a production like this going for years on end. I think of the toll it takes on all involved as well as life-changing procedures that must happen within the home or "set" to produce such a show week after week, year after year. It is very easy to forget about the "fourth wall" as we sit complacently watching a gaggle of cute children interact in what we think is their normal and everyday lives. Reality television production doesn't want the viewer to think about the fourth wall much. We have heard Jenn ask Kate questions that could prompt a controversial answer now and then, but for the most part she and her crew want to remain invisible. This never makes them go away in real life, however and the wall is there in every single thing we see as viewers, whether we think of it's impact or not.

What is the fourth wall? A busy, needy, time and space consuming staff of production, sound and camera people with all of their lights, cameras and equipment and electric cords running everywhere behind the camera. It also includes all of the brainstorming required to create episodes out of thin air when content is used, and used, and over-used again and again, planning, making the home appropriate for a film stage, scheduling, re-scheduling, and re-shooting of episodes gone bad, editing, going back and shooting once again when public outcry requires schedule changes, damage control. Let's also remember how the fourth wall removes peace and sanctuary from the home environment and every activity the family participates in while being filmed and prompts activities that may not otherwise be done, for the sake of 40-50 episodes a year.

Would living this way make any of us feel weary and stressed, day after day—year after year? Would it change forever the dynamics of the family, change personalities within the family? Would living this way cause a high-strung mother to lose her temper more often than ever? This is the only life the Gosslings know, "Life Behind the Fourth Wall". Perhaps this will be a great tell-all book at some point in the future. Would any of us like our own children to be in a place where they may have enough content to fill a book such as this when they are grown and trying to come to terms with how they were required to lived their young lives in Central PA? Will this type of stressful lifestyle cause further estrangement within a family already isolated from close relatives in the future?

The Show! The Show!

(Posted for RKwrite)

The answer to why they couldn't cancel the trip to LA due to sick kids is simple . . .THE SHOW, THE SHOW, THE SHOW!

After all, if you're not working, and THE SHOW is your only source of income, you better be sure that there is an "interesting" and "important" subject (like hairplugs for Jon) for THE SHOW underway. I mean you have to feed all those kids and organic fluff is more expensive than regular fluff, not to mention organic peanut butter and organic tortilla chips and organic lollipops.

You have to be sure that IMPORTANT sponsors give you matching clothing for all those kids. The schedule can't be changed because you have go to all those churches to speak about all those "wonderful" children, and how you were blessed by GOD, not to mention chemistry. The speeches are IMPORTANT, because they help spread the message of what good Christians you are, and then the plate is passed and love offerings are given, and you sell beautiful postcards of all those WONDERFUL children to the sheeple who love you, and the money (as they say in Evita) keeps rolling in.

That money is needed, because who knows when the gravy train is going to stop, because someday soon the public will tire of enormous families with many children and of high order multiples, and then what will you do? Kate has to have fame and be IMPORTANT and you both need to be able to support your kids, so forget the sick kids, and hop that plane, and get those hairplugs, cause time and fame are awasting!

Genetically Toxic? What a Coincidence!

Kate has two parents and three sisters from whom she is alienated.

Jon has a mother and two brothers from whom he is alienated.

That's 8 people.

Are ALL 8 people evil/toxic? That doesn't seem quite right... or reasonable... or logical. I used to think, "Boy, Kate's parents must be really terrible." But I'm not so sure any more.

I truly understand keeping your kids away from toxic relatives. But is it possible that all 8 people are evil?

The Truth Will Set You Free

I'm glad I found this. I will say that I have also received threats due to some things I have posted on various boards, and I'm pretty confident that I know who is behind it. I've been silent for four years, but some more recent "behind the scenes" things have taken place, which caused me to speak out. I did, and started receiving threats. Well, I won't be intimidated or "commented into submission". I've decided to step back out because the truth needs to be told. I'd also like to say that I don't know mrsbananabethanna, but I do know that what she said is true. I've known Jon and Kate for years -- before the sextuplets -- and I think it's time that those of us who know what's really going on -- speak out!

Posted from Comment by The Truth Will Set You Free.

Degrees of Abuse and Exploitation

I have frequently read comments by others about the Gosselin children and how they are well cared for and should never be the focus of any child advocacy attention. Back in the day, I posted to the best of my abilities at TWoP, composing posts the best way I could that kept me from being banned, while advocating for the end of exploitation of the Gosselin children; I am sure you all have read me over there. I respect that others have their own views, and I appreciated reading well thought out posts on both sides of this rather volatile and controversial issue. What I didn’t appreciate, and could have easily put myself in a banning situation over there by replying to, were the few that would continually copy and paste well thought out posts only to reply to each phrase with canned words of refute, with no real educated debate. I did not read those page-long posts, as there seemed to be not one original thought being shared, only time and space being taken up with regurgitated and tired words.

I am not a cat lady. We share our home with a happy brindle boxer. I am principal/creative director of my own ad agency and have portfolios that have taken first place in the nation in various juried shows. That’s what I do to pay my bills.

My volunteer time is spent advocating for children in the juvenile court system, children who need someone to be their voice. I am eyes and ears for the judges on my cases, as they do not have the resources to get off the bench and observe their special charges to see what really goes on in their lives, and if their own court orders on behalf of these children are being carried out appropriately. My reports are first to be read by these judges, even before reports from the guardian ad litem and case workers on the case. I am court appointed and sworn in by the courts. I cannot speak to you about my individual cases, as the children are granted absolute privacy, but I can speak to you about CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocates for Children). I have been trained to observe and catch all details, and I have seen horrible things, and situations that heal and bounce back to productivity. I have been trained to speak up for a child and report what I see to the courts in the child’s best interest.

The first Jon & Kate plus Eight show I saw was “PottyGate” and I honestly sat and watched what had to have been the filming of these children during private times with my mouth hanging open. I could not understand how camera crews were allowed to film little boys sitting on potty chairs with nude scenes obviously being filmed, whether they were edited out or not. The next day I looked around and found “Hannah Pooped” on YouTube, Hannah with no blurring of her complete nudity, TLC logo in the lower corner. Even if she had been blurred, the camera crews were still there filming those private times, obviously the footage exists. I spoke to my CASA supervisor and was told that this is absolutely inappropriate, any daycare would be shut down for such behavior, and the best course of action would be through the PA Attorney General’s office. I did email Mr. Corbett about my concerns regarding the nude footage and the “Hannah Pooped” footage on YouTube that had been viewed close to 12,000 times. No response. Mr. Corbett does have a lot of PR on his website regarding pedophile arrests, and that is great. I know that this is a case where children are being fed, clothed and housed and AG resources are slim. It doesn’t make the level of abuse or exploitation ok, it just makes it a lower priority on a long list. I don’t have the time or resources to make myself additionally available to push for legislation changes in PA.

As time went on, the “Hannah Pooped” video was taken down, kudos. I became more aware of the studio lighting these kids are exposed to day in and day out in their own home. Camera crews are in their home before they wake up until after they go to sleep 3-4 (probably more) days a week. This becomes a child labor issue. SAG child actors can only work 20 minutes in any hour and must have people on set that look out for only them. This doesn’t happen for reality television kids. When these children are scheduled to visit a zoo, and film footage is so bad from the rainy day that they must visit another zoo for another whole day to get workable film, is it their real lives, or scripted and scheduled? This is only one example of what I am sure are many encroaching situations on the Gosselin children’s childhoods that change forever how they grow. As time goes by, it seems that privacy for the tups is non-existent and at 4 years of age there are still camera crews filming them while bathing and other private situations. Let’s think back to when this show was new… did we ever see the twins being filmed in the bath or physically private situations? Why has it been ok for them to have “off limit” areas of their lives but not the tups? Why isn’t anyone standing up and saying this isn’t ok, someone that can do something about it? Why is it ok to film the twins, and now more often the tups, in situations of emotional turmoil that should be considered much more private, sacred and held within the sanctuary and privacy of the family? How much more will we see in the coming season, as we become numb to the inappropriate situations we have already seen and production must develop, schedule and script new controversy that will continue to pull us in?

I live states away from this family, and am ineffective in advocating for them from my state and county. I would have many more people of power here in my state and county that I could rely on to listen to me, respect my thoughts and hear my issues regarding this family and reality television families to come. I cannot do it in Pennsylvania. I’m sure Jon and Kate are happy about that. God Bless the children.

"You're not mad at me, are you honey?"

From the discussion page of the Gosselin Wikipedia entry:

Kate did not do IVF. There were no eggs transferred.

Kate used Clomid and Intrauterine Insemination (they inject semen into her cervix) with both pregnancies. But, when she went to get pregnant with the tups, her ovaries became overstimulated with the Clomid and she had 8 ripe follicles. The Dr refused to inseminate her and hospitalized her. Apparently the Drs orders didnt matter to Kate and she had sex with Jon anyway and she was diagnosed pregnant 5 weeks later.

Their website's OUR STORY references the overstimulated ovary hospitalization and the fact that she was diagnosed pregnant a mere 5 weeks after the overstimulation. Furthermore, several times on the show Kate talks about being diagnosed pregnant with the tups and rubs Jons thigh and says, "You're not mad at me are you Honey?" An inference can be had that she had sex with him in an overstimulated state, and kinda tricked him to get her pregnant.

Reprinted with permission from Preesi.

"I can find you..."

I (along with some of the people here!) have been working on the Wikipedia post. I have written for Wiki before, so I know the rules in general...don't make up things, and cite references when you make a statement. Occasionally, a statement is contested, and additional citing is needed. No biggie.

I have never, ever had any writing I have done be as hotly contested as the Jon and Kate piece. When the names of Kate's PARENTS were contested, I knew something unusual was up. I went to cite the Lt. Governor's speech opening up TAF accounts for all 8 kids (which directly contradicts their webpage that says they have no such funds.)and discovered that, although the link to the speech was on his site, the speech itself is deleted. All of the other speeches he gave during the same time frame are, indeed, on the website. Fortunately, I found a word-for-word copy of the speech elsewhere. I believe whoever challenged me KNEW that speech had been removed, and I would have to remove that contradiction.

I was also contested on the fact that Jon used to work for the state of PA in the Governor's Office, that he is now self-employed, that they do public speaking (yes, their schedule was removed from their site) that they sometimes get love offerings at these speeches, and that the sell pictures. The only thing not contested were the names,birthdays,weights and direct quotes that were positive.

And hey, I was trying to keep it neutral while involving the controversy. For a little while last night, the sentence, "We now live in Pennsylvania" appeared on the "controversy" section. I did not do anything about it, but it disappeared later.

Finally, this morning, I received a private message via Wikipedia. It said, "Why are you doing this? Just leave them alone because I can find you." I laughed it off, but why is someone threatening me over a Wikipedia page? Do they not realize that the more they press, the deeper we will dig? Dirt piles up when digging occurs, and not all of the dirt goes back in the hole...

Reprinted with permission from Steph.

How Many People Does it Take to Write a Book?

Zondervan's original press release regarding its upcoming publication Multiple Blessings announces that it "has signed an exclusive agreement with Kate Gosselin", and it notes the publication date is scheduled for October 2008. It announces that the book is to be co-authored with [erstwhile friend] Beth Carson. Notice the dust jacket -- no mention of Jon.

Following the rift with BFF Beth -- the same Beth that we have seen Kate fawn over in previous episodes... the same Beth that Kate described as an "angel from heaven... the same Beth who was a regular babysitter of the Gosselin children -- the dust jacket received a makeover, this time adding Jon to top billing and pushing the publication back a month, to November 2008.

Also with the addition of Jon came 16 additional pages (jumping from 208 pages to 224) -- I wonder if Kate let him type without interrupting him, correcting his grammar, or slapping his face?

Hucksters or Scam Artists

Yes, Jon and Kate are hucksters, because they prey on people who have only the best of intentions.

It's just so offensive, especially when you consider the truly needy in this world. Hell, we have soldiers coming back from Iraq and finding themselves homeless. We still have survivors of Katrina displaced and living in squalid FEMA trailers. We have our World Trade Center survivors and heroes suffering from dastardly lung ailments and cancers from the burning debris and toxic fumes they inhaled during the disaster. We have junkies who desperately want to get straight and get their families and friends back. We have children who go to bed hungry every night. We have genocide in Darfur. We have that nice old lady up the street who is going through a miserably hot summer without running her air conditioner because she can't afford to be cool.

I'll even be a little selfish here...we have people like me, who seem to be sick all of the time but cannot seem to find a cause or reason. Too sick to work. Sometimes too sick to even leave the house. And I am one of the lucky ones...my husband works 80 hour workweeks to support us and get us good health insurance. We have many Americans who are too sick to work and yet are without health insurance or any answers.

And these two able-bodied people have the GALL, the unmitigated AUDACITY, to beg for a living and make their story out to be something worthy of attention and financial compensation. They are scam artists who prey upon the well-intentioned but not too terribly bright, sell their story to them, and reap the rewards. And reap and reap and reap. Mostly in cash and freebies, which are much harder for the Tax Man to track.

And when you consider that they manage to couch it all in The Most Holy Name of Jesus Christ, well, let's just say that there is a special place in hell for them, if you believe in that kind of thing. It takes a particular kind of mindset to use others. To use them while utilizing religion puts you in a league with Jim Jones and the People's Temple in Guyana.

I want to know how much money is being put away for the kids.

Reprinted with permission from Laura Linger.

Flimflam Artists

I am reading a book entitled: Charlatan: America's Most Dangerous Huckster, the Man who Pursued Him, and the Age of Flimflam.

I have figured out exactly what Jon and Kate are. They're flimflam artists. Just like the hucksters who traveled around at the beginning of the 20th century promoting snake oil medicine and operating on men to implant goat's testees to promote virility!

Jon and Kate have a real flimflam operation going on -- with both the tv show and their "speaking engagements." They are representing themselves as something other than what they are. They are shaking people down for money under false pretenses.

As P.T. Barnum said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

If I ever find out who this Wiki person is, there is going to be hell to pay!

The recent addition of quite a few controversial facts to the Gosselin Wikipedia entry have Jon and Kate (or their minions) in a tizzy. They have been going nuts trying to get the more damning ones removed, only to see them re-instated when proof is provided to the Wiki powers that be.

One reader of this blog speculates on the scene with Jon hunched over his computer-in-the-closet, feverishly challenging what he knows is true:
Jon: ...I am trying to get the whole thing deleted. Now get out of my closet. Your wild arm gestures are moving the hangers around and the clothes swishing around my head disrupts my mad IT skillz.
Kate: Oh you better get the whole thing deleted. I am NOT going back to nursing and you are NOT ever leaving this house ever again, leaving me with those little monsters, so you better keep the dollars rolling in.
Jon: Why don't you go print up some more bible quotes on index cards and post them all over the house?
Kate: If I ever find out who this Wiki person is, there is going to be hell to pay. I am Kate Gosselin! My sheeple are legion! They will go out in a great wave and cover the earth and spread my word and give me money...
Jon: Sigh. Go away. I have to challenge some more facts and need to think. Your hair is giving me a headache.
Kate: Oh yeah? Well your hair is giving me a headache. You're SO ungrateful, Jon.
Reprinted with permission from Kablooey.

"You're not in a character. You ARE a character."

Aside from the deception and outright lying that Jon and Kate Gosselin indulge in, the thing that disturbs me more is the potential damage to their children. Child exploitation is not something to be taken lightly -- hence the enactment of various child labor laws to protect minors who cannot advocate for their own interests. Laws that the Gosselin children and others like them are not currently protected by.

A piece recently published by ABC News pinpoints several of the concerns I have -- some highlights:
Those kids are not necessarily playing themselves, being seen in their daily lives and habitat," [television writer Kimberly Speight] Nordyke said. "There is a difference, because children in reality shows are letting cameras into their private world. That is definitely more revealing than having a child play a character in a sitcom.
Potentially, it's worse for them to be on a reality show," said [clinical psychologist and Emory University professor Nadine] Kaslow. "You don't get as much distance from it. You're not in a character. You are a character.
Parents need to stop and say, 'is this really in my child's best interest?'" Kaslow said. I think most people will say no, but not everybody.
Having a sense of the sacred is having a sense of the private," [Rabbi Sherre] Hirsch said. "When you put children on a reality show, you're possibly risking everything that is sacred to them.

Request for New Forum

I don't really have anything to contribute. I was just wondering if you guys could make a forum that we could all sign up for.

Posted with permission/by request of Mary Berry.

Zondervan Publishing Has No Scruples

Zondervan Publishing has no scruples, and this poster gets it. So does this one.

Jon and Kate's new book (co-authored with Beth Carson, erstwhile friend) is being published by Zondervan Publishing. Zondervan pegs itself as "a world leader in Christian communications".

Really, Z? There is no good defense of this decision. Either they didn't adequately research the Gosselins and therefore are doing this in ignorance, or they know about the lies and other decidedly un-Christian actions of the Gosselins and are proceeding anyway for the sake of profit. Hmm, sounds like the Gosselins themselves -- are they just birds of the same feather?

Gosselins on Wikipedia

A great Wikipedia entry with a lot of information about the Gosselins. Well-researched and interesting reading, check it out!

Family Movie Night

Season four for the Gosselins starts off June 30 with the episode "Family Movie Night."

Television Without Pity (TWoP) Thread Closed for Good

Question: What lasted only five weeks and accumulated just under 3,000 posts?
Answer: The new but doomed Jon & Kate Plus 8 thread on TWoP.

Jon & Kate Plus 8 thread on the website Television Without Pity (TWoP) has always been troubled, with frequent moderator interference -- posts edited, posts deleted, posters warned, posters banned, the entire thread placed on lockdown, etc. In fact the original thread was deleted entirely and a new one opened on May 2, 2008.

That new thread was plagued with the same problems, and was again locked down on June 11, 2008. It's now been confirmed that TWoP will NOT be re-opening that thread. So if you want your Jon and Kate fix, this blog would be a good place to continue discussing the Gosselin issues that seem to polarize so many people.

(There are also several other forums in which you may discuss Jon & Kate Plus 8: Fans of Reality TV and jk8forum.com. If you know of any others, please post them here.)

Kate is a Masterpiece

Kate is a real masterpiece of deception and self-delusion. Shrugging off the absence of her parents by claiming, "we're just not that dependent", when they wouldn't be where they are today without a virtual ARMY of people helping them?

Kate forces her own sister to choose between a relationship with Kate or a relationship with her parents... then claims, "It's nothing bad, it's not like we hate them or anything". Making an ultimatim like that sure sounds like "something bad" to me. Or are people that disposable to Kate?

The parents were good enough to be in their lives before the tups came along, yet somehow they [in Kate's words] "didn't know how to help" after the tups came. Given what I know about Kate, I can easily imagine that translates to, "they didn't help the way I wanted them to".

Last night's "How We Got Here" episode was just a cobbled together patchwork of old, outdated footage, most of which has already been on AOL for quite a while. I have no idea how production thinks they can cobble together dozens of new episodes for the 4th season.

Wonder what all the sheeple who've donated money to them would think about Kate's "amazing spiritual walk" if they knew what kind of person she really is and how easily she dismisses people when they are no longer useful or when they threaten her limelight. Beth is history, Aunt Jodi next -- she's running out of people to kick out of her life. Her kids better not piss her off.

Here We Go Again....

I thought that both Jon and Kate doth protest too much on their "How It All Began" show, when they discussed their families.

Kate went on and on about her parents, but said NOTHING. Far from her usual glibness, she seemed to be tongue-tied.

She said that they were better off without them. That's an astonishing statement. She totally ignored the fact that she has three sisters and nieces and nephews.

Jon's "explanation" was just as absurd. His mother is remarried and works full-time? Is she a firefighter, always on call? She doesn't get any days off? What about the fact that he has two brothers? OH... maybe they too work full-time.

It's just bizarre that they're BOTH alienated from their families... and seem to be alienating their friends (e.g., Beth) also. Why in heaven's name did they even bother to bring up the subject?

Tending the Blog

There is no disagreement about whether or not Kate is alienated from her family... and whose "fault" it is.

The contributors to this blog had to reject a post because it was proseletyzing about the poster's religion. You may say whatever you wish on your own blog, but this blog is not for advertising your religious beliefs or trying to convert others.

Kate's Incessant Desire to Control

For further illumination on the true nature of the beast, check out the comment left by mrsbananabethanna on this post.

Liars, liars, pants on fires

In my first post, I said that I started becoming disillusioned with Jon & Kate, when it became clear that their claims of no college funds were false.

If you would like to confirm that there are TAP accounts set up for the Gosselin children, or you want to donate to them, follow these instructions:

If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account, you can do so by making your check payable to “TAP 529,” writing “Gosselin” in the memo portion of the check, and sending your contributions to: Gosselin Sextuplets and Twins Accounts, TAP Bureau, 218 Finance Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120. More information on the Tuition Account Program can be obtained by calling 1-800-440-4000 or by visiting the Treasury website and clicking on Tuition Account Program.

Nobody knows how much has been donated - and that really isn't the point of this post. The point is, as of June 15, 2008, the Gosselins are still claiming there are no funds!

Where are the grandparents?

This article attempts to answer part of the biggest questions of the Gosselin family. Where are the grandparents?

Jon's father is the only one who gets mentioned. He was involved with the family until his death.

When queried, Kate has said "They are not involved with our day-to-day lives" and also "They didn't know how to help". Her parents took care of the twins while she was hospitalized when pregnant with the sextuplets, and were around during the birth announcements.

Kate's family have remained silent on the issue. One of her sisters wrote this in a public blog entry:
"So pretty much lately I've realized that I'm denying myself the ability to have relationships with certain people because doing so will bring me down emotionally and spiritually and following and trusting in Him. That is a rough thing when my mind wants to take steps to have a relationship with this person or persons, but my heart (where the Holy Spirit is guiding and directing me) is urging me to just follow God and let everything else take care of itself.

For the privacy of those involved, I want to try to keep things as vague as possible. But I want to give a more specific example of what it is that I am going through. I need to get it out!

Basically, I feel that I am being forced to choose between two people or groups of people. As it is now, I am respectful and loyal to one person or persons (whom we shall refer to as Person A), steadily building a healthy, Godly relationship with them, but I am missing out on a relationship with one or more other individuals (whom we shall refer to as Person B) in my family who do not get along with the aforementioned person (Person A) or persons. I am assuming that they (Person B) will "like me" (conditionally, of course) if I pretty much say, "boo to you" (in my husband's terminology) to Person A. But in order to be in their (Person B) life, I would have to give up Person A (and also violate a 10 commandment... honor thy father and thy mother...). See my plight... or have I confused you beyond belief?

The truth is... I miss Person B. I grew up with Person B, I love them, I want the best for them, and I would love to be in their life. But Person B, I KNOW, would bring me down emotionally and spiritually. I've missed seeing Person B's children grow... Person B's children and my child aren't getting to grow up together (they're cousins). This stinks!

Person B probably doesn't think I even care because I've had no contact with them. The truth is, I care so very much, but I am afraid of being taken advantage of, caught in the middle of a horrible battle, and hurt. The last contact I had with Person B was a phone call, which started out as planning a visit/favor/transaction and turned into Person B being harsh and accusatory. I hold no animosity towards Person B for this; it just shows that things have been rocky or just plain nonexistent relationship-wise. The whole thing just saddens me really.

So basically, I guess this is one relationship that I've had to give up in order to do the right thing. Maybe at a later time in a later post I can be more specific, but right now I don't feel as though I am to be too descriptive.

One final comment (and this probably won't make sense to anyone): I wish with all my heart that I did not have to watch television to see Person B. :'( I pray that someday God will bring healing... and in the meantime I know I am learning so much from all the trials and things that I am going through."

(This sister had to close her blogs after people started commenting, because she is Kate's sister. This is why I'm not identifying her.)

So if you do the math, Person A is one of the parents, and Person B is Kate - the person on TV. Whatever happened to estrange Kate from her parents, it appears to be serious enought that she has also distanced herself from most of her family. We know that her brother Kevin (Jodi's husband) is still involved - although I think he'll never go near those nasty potties again!

The rumor mill states that Kate's father, a pastor, helped organize donations for the sextuplets. Like six cribs, which Kate allegedly refused because they didn't match. She was also apparently rude to the church volunteers and drove them away. Niiiiiice.

Gosselins in the Year 2025, Part 4

Jon and Kate are still married. Since the twins and tups have left the house, Kate is depressed and desperately wants more kids. Since she’s always had the nagging feeling that she won’t be able to have any kids while going through menopause, she contacts Brad and Angelina, and manages to adopt. After a long process, they are proud to bring home a sibling group from China. Kate realizes shortly after that only 3 will not garnish the attention and freebees that her other litter did. And people just didn’t know how to help. She manages to adopt another sibling group of 6, bringing her total to 9, a personal best. People are so impressed, as these children were homeless, malnourished, abused, alone, sick, and had no life whatsoever. As soon as they were old enough to talk, they asked to be returned to where they came from. They told Oprah that the life that had in China was heaven next to what they endured with the Gosselins.

Mady works for the state, and was able to change the records of the twin’s birth, so now Mady is, by all records, the oldest. Hence, her attitude has improved. Her house has been condemned since she refuses to do chores.

Cara is working on her post-doctorate in child psychology, and is very happy with her life. She had her tubes tied at 18.

Hannah was the last to move out at age 20. She couldn’t handle sharing Kate’s lap with the new kids.

Alexis owns her own company making permanent markers.

Leah’s wish came true, she is still a little kid. She is playing the long lost cousin on Little People Big World.

Collin is hosting his own show on TLC with a 2025 version of Clean Sweep. He replaced the aging Peter Walsh.

Aaden is married with two kids. There are no timeout corners in his house and his parents are not part of their lives.

Joel has moved to Melbourne, Australia, which he has calculated to be the farthest place on earth from Lancaster County, PA. Last contact with Kate was 5 years ago when he told her she can forget him for good now, since she has always forgotten him anyway.

Reprinted with permission from NancyAnneDavis.

Gosselins in the Year 2025, Part 3

Joel comes out of the closet and is banished from the house per Kate. Jon still sneaks by and visits him, and is his number one fan when Joel's line of designer jeans hits Nordstroms.

Aaden changes his name to Aidan and is a veterinarian specializing in exotic animals. He works hard and eventually gets a job with the National Zoo. Kate came to visit, but he had to ask her to leave because she kept complaining about the smell.

Collin plays football for awhile, but finds his true passion is boxing. He becomes an engineer and remains single, but has a string of girlfriends who move in and out. He still has his bear buddy, and hides it whenever his mother comes over, for fear she will throw it away.

Alexis is an artist living in SoHo, has varying colors of hair, and is in and out of college. She lives with her boyfriend, a musician, and they have a child together. Kate does not approve of this lifestyle and refuses to visit, but Jon tries to fit in with her friends and learns the lingo.

Leah finishes college, moves to France, and keeps in touch with her siblings. Kate hasn't managed to score a free trip, so she hasn't visited.

Hannah lives at home and works at a local dry cleaners, pressing shirts.

Cara is a ski instructor in Aspen, and has a small apartment over a cafe. She takes classes occasionally, but really just loves teaching little rich kids to ski.

Madelyn is an actress on Broadway and lives on the Upper East Side. She and Alexis are in touch with each other almost daily, and Mady watches Alexis' baby sometimes. They are very close, and Mady helps Alexis get funding together to do her first art showing.

Kate is disappointed in all of her children except for Hannah.

Jon loves them all and still thinks he is 25, like them.

Reprinted with permission from Steph.