Would you be OK with it?

Created from comment posted by "L" in this blog entry.

What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday? And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week? I can't say that I blame them for the choices that they've made.
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54 comments:

Serena said...

WOULD YOU BE OK WITH IT?

Created from comment posted by "L" in this blog entry.

Question: What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday? And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week? I can't say that I blame them for the choices that they've made.

The kind of red-blooded Americans who have some sense of pride, who work for a living and made decisions BEFORE having children that allowed them to are for their own kids THEMSELVES. The kind of red-blooded Americans who don't walk around with a sense of entitlement, the idea that they're special and deserve something more than those around them. The kind of red-blooded Americans who, instead of being on the lookout for one big score that allows them never to have to work again (either for a wage or for their own family), realize that there's nothing wrong or unfair about earning your own way.

The kind of red-blooded Americans who, as so many posters above have noted, understand that in our increasingly public lives, privacy is now even more valuable, not less, and cannot be replaced once lost. When it's out there, it's out there for good.

Let me turn it on you, U.S. citizen of questionable blood hue: would you, as a grown person, be okay with the vast hordes of Internet users being able to log onto YouTube etc. and watch an extended video of you as a child running around in your Monkees underwear (or whatever the now-embarrassing fad was when you were little), relieving yourself, or in the shower? Would you be okay knowing that some sickos were very likely viewing that image in a less-than-wholesome way? Would you be okay going onto to message boards and seeing strangers from years ago evaluating you against your siblings and coming up with favorites? "IMO Bobby is fatter than his brothers lol and a little cross-eyed lol but Johnny is sweet and sooooo cute lol!" "omfg Mary isd the leastcutest of the grils u can c that Jane is so MCUH cuter lmao."

You would be okay, in your adult life, with meeting people who had a better memory of your childhood than you do? Of having an employer or college professor recognize your name and recall the episode where you shat yourself and had to sit in it with the camera rolling while the crew waited to capture your histrionic parent rushing in and exclaiming over the disgusting mess you made? Or have classmates who quote to you hurtful things your PARENTS said about you? Or meeting former 'fans' who felt an unnatural connection to you, or like you owe them something? Or being asked questions about your personal life that most of us will never hear because we haven't been pushed into the public domain in such an intimate way?

Honestly, I'm completely baffled by the Kon-fan argument that because this was the easiest thing for KON, it was the right thing to do and we would naturally do the same if given the chance. Thank God I was raised with some principles and understand that to be a parent SHOULD be difficult because, unlike hikes or taxes, there are absolutely no shortcuts.

Carolina said...

I would never allow my family to lose our precious privacy. Ever. I love and value our little team too much to allow something like that.

I agree with the anon above - a minor child knows what is going on (look at Mady, she knows this isn't right,) but can't give consent to stop it. I've been embarrassed by typical "brother-and-sister as young children in the bathtub" pictures, "twelve-year-old with severe acne" pictures, and "god-what-were-we-thinking-in-the-late-1980s" pictures hanging up in my mom's house. I can't imagine millions of people seeing me go through potty training, temper tantrums, etc. We all know how cruel children can be - what happens when these kids get to junior high school? Can you IMAGINE the torment they might be put through? Just a thought.

I don't like handouts. I worked my butt off to pay for college myself, and I think I'm better for having done so. There is no way to respect the Gosselins when they have made their own decisions, yet expect everyone else to pay for them. That isn't fair to the great state of Pennsylvania, it's not fair to anyone who's suckered in to donating, and it is CERTAINLY not fair to those children.

adri said...

You couldn't pay me enough money to give up my privacy.

There aren't enough freebies in the world to allow me to showcase my children's most intimate moments for everyone to see.

No amount of recognition is worth living under a microscope & having to be at the mercy of a TV crew.

Some things are worth a lot more than love offerings, free juice & Gap clothes. It says a lot about our society when people place material things above a child's right to privacy.

Kristee said...

I would never be ok with having my life filmed, for any amount of money. I enjoy my privacy wayyy to much to even consider it. We have 2 teens, and they feel the exact same way.

I can't imagine anyone wanting a camera around when they are in the throws of the stomach bug. Poor Joel didn't have a choice tho, and from now til eternity his friends (in the future) can look up Youtube video's of him throwing up. The only good thing is Aunt Jodi was there to hug and comfort him. Imagine when Collin is in high school, and kids can see him sitting on a potty, alone in his bedroom?!

Anyways, I hope there will be a book tour for their book. I also hope they are booked on the View. Whoopi had some hard questions for Denise Richards with her decision for having a reality show with her girls on it. Denise's kids are almost never shown (smart) and when they are it's in a very tasteful manner..imo. I think once a big name on TV gets hold of Katie and starts asking some real questions...only then will people really start to open their eyes.

Anonymous said...

Honestly, I think it would be fine if they did a once a year special like the first two. There are obviously lots of people who are curious about their lives, and KON could get a little extra money. But 50 episodes a year is completely ridiculous, and have already become repetitive.

Breanna said...

Not me. I value my family's privacy more then a hefty paycheck. And no way would I put my kids on TV week after week, even when they have been shown pushing the cameras out of their face or running away from them, so I did not have to go to work everyday. That is just lazy and selfish, in my opnion

Carrie Ann said...

I could see myself doing one of those "specials" where you tell your story and give people a glimpse of how we manage. (Like the Dillies) But I couldn't pimp out my kids just to get free stuff. I'd worry too much about the safety and privacy of my family to exploit them on TV in order to get free Juicy Juice. (I figured out early on that the Kate didn't feed her kids just organic stuff b/c I know Juicy Juice isn't organic)

Anonymous said...

My neighbor asked me to join in and post at least occasionally. I don't have time for very often. You see we have TEN yes TEN kids. As Kate would say it. We have quints plus five others. We have never and will never be on TV even the local news. We refused when the quints were born and refuse every time we are contacted.

Our kids are not some zoo animals to go on display. They are our children and seeing what Jon and Kate are putting their chilren through is so opposite to us that I haven't watched too many shows after the first couple of specials. Their thinking that they can't do anything because of the number of children is just insane to me. We go out the same as other people even with ten and usually no help. We have never had volunteers outside of family and very close friends.

One huge difference is that when we decided to have the third child we also decided that I should quit work and my DH went back to school for an MBA. He worked hard so that when we tried for the fourth child and had quints he was up for a big promotion at work and now he and his brother own their own company. Would that Kate and Jon had seen the need to put in some work getting an education and one of them at least a decently paying job. So yes we have a nice house that is big enough for us and we have a housekeeper. She is a housekeeper though and not a nanny. She only watches the kids if I have to take one to the doctor or an emergency and a relative isn't available to come over. We PAY for all that ourselves. Our kids don't match and I wouldn't want them to. I buy clothes on sale at outlet malls and the kids wear hand me downs when possible. I shop at Costco for most of our groceries and most supplies for the household. I'm a fan of Big Lots, too. So it can be done and the kids can be happy and well cared for and private. But it takes some work on the parents part instead of looking for everyone else to do it for you. We chose to have the children so it's our responsiblity to care for them.

Anonymous said...

I also would never allow cameras in my life, I like my privacy and I have never had a desire to be on TV.

That said, I can see how others may want such a life and that is fine if they are adults and can make the decision for themselves.

Also I will never understand how Kate feels that the world owes them, that they should have the best of everything, and deserve more than anyone else in this world.

The saddest part to me, besides what the kids have to endure, is that people who like watching the show will say that no matter what, that J&K are doing a great thing and deserve everything.

Really, that sounds a little over the top to me. Have they really taken the time to sit and hear what these people are saying and watch what they are doing, or are they satisfied to be a part of it all because they get some kind of entertainment factor out of it?

Really, look at it from a parents point a view and try to see what is really going on. Once you let yourself see, you will understand.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, previous poster who is a mother of quints and five more kids, for sharing your perspective. IMO, that is how it should be. I have heard other moms of multiples say the Kons give them all HOM parents a blak eye. It is refreshing to see parents that assume responsibility for their own children and who value them more than the perks they can bring in. Best wishes to your family.

K.C. said...

To the Anonymous poster above, (with 10 children). Thank you for taking the time to share your story! It's always nice to hear from parents of multiples who respect their children the way you obviously do. I have great respect your work ethic and your decision to keep your precious family private. Thanks again for sharing.

Anonymous said...

I think likening this show to a child filming on a movie set is a bit of a stretch. It does seem like the children appear "tired, hot, sweaty and irritable more than you may expect on average" but this may or may not be the case. We have to keep in mind a couple of things: we are only shown half hour segments of their lives and this is, after all, a television show! The shows are edited to attain the maximum number of viewers. People like to watch drama, they want to see meltdowns. We see this with every other reality show out there. If the kids are miserable, they will show it. If they put every single melt down on the show, it would definitely appear as though these kids are miserable more often than not. I think overall they seem like pretty happy children, not even considering their unfortunate circumstances.

Anonymous said...

There are two reasons I would NOT do it for the world. For one, you miss the opportunity to show your children by your example how to earn a living by hard work, by their own creativity, their talents, personal initiatives, etc. Who is ever really proud of taking the easy road, anyway? That's no heritage for the future generations. I've been reading the poem (and book)Children Learn What They Live" and I can only imagine how the dynamics of a "normal" life are changed by being filmed all the time as a way of life for the entire nation to see. The other big reason I wouldn't do it is that, for me anyway, there are ordinary days in my own childhood (I'm 40 now)that I'm glad to forget! I'm glad there's no permanent record in the books..or on film, especially that just any JohnQPublic could be privy to. I think its nice to reconcile painful memories and to let them go without a tape floating around. What makes those parents think those children will want all those indiscreet "memories" resurfacing?
It'll be hard to forget the bad things (like mommy's tantrums) and remember just the good times of their childhood because of all the film that will keep reappearing, probably whether they want it to or not.

Manda said...

Who wouldn't like easy money to come their way? Of course we all would! But 'easy money' to me does not translate to earning it on the backs of my kids.

People like to say they're just living their life, doing what kids do and incidentally a camera is there. Well, how are the rights of the Gosselin kids any less valuable than the rights of an infant on a movie set just lying in a bassinet, without even lines like "On this episode of J&K+8..." to memorize, who IS PROTECTED BY LAWS that determine how long that child can remain on set and what happens to the money that infant earns lying in that bassinet??

And no we don't know what happens off camera. Those children could be required to take shoot after shoot until they get it just right, just the right product placement, just the right frame up over and over again. I know they have certainly appeared tired, hot, sweaty and irritable more than you may expect on average many many times when we have seen them at the end of their fun-filled, memory making jaunts, loading up and heading home.

Nope, putting my kids through just that is not enough to sell them out, not to mention the dignity issues and privacy issues and self-esteem issues that will follow them into their teens and adulthood that will have a much longer lasting effect on them.

Anonymous said...

You know, I think I would have been okay with being filmed early on in my marriage, when it was just my husband and me. But now that we have a child, I'd rather keep our lives private. Just because I would be okay being filmed (especially if it pays really well) doesn't mean that my child would be - and frankly, she's not old enough to give her informed consent.

I remember being embarrassed by the photos my parents had in their house depicting me in my gawky pre-teen years. Those pictures were only visible to people who walked down the hallway in that house, but I still hated it. I can't imagine having my entire childhood on TV and on the internet for anyone and everyone to see.

SmartyQ said...

Kon aren't red-blooded Americans. We, whatever our blood color, are a nation of can-do people. Whenever a disaster hits in another country, who shows up first to help? When the Murrah building in OKC was blown up, people rushed to the site to help. I'm sure all of us saw pictures of people cradling small children in their arms and carrying them to safety. September 11, 2001 found everyone doing something to help. Heck, the blood banks finally said they didn't need any more blood.

Going further back, a United plane is going to have to make an emergency landing at a small Iowa (I believe) airport. Citizens of the town and many others were at the airport and ready to help before the plane arrived. A line had already starting forming at the blood bank. A man who was on the plane noticed a small boy sitting by himself. The man knew he might be facing his last minutes of his life, but he left his seat and went to sit with the child.

The common denominator in all of the above is: Nobody had to ask us to do something or tell us what needed to be done. We knew.

Americans not perfect, but we are generous, caring and capable—unlike two of us I could name who probably never have picked up a stray gum wrapper. Kon are the most can't do persons I've ever seen.

Renee said...

I think my comment in the other thread got chucked so I'll say it here: I would most definitely participate in a reality show but if I had children then neither them nor I would participate. I wouldn't want their or my actions to come back and bite the kids in the ass. I can handle the criticism but children shouldn't ever be put in that situation.

tpk said...

Not us, no way, not EVER. These kids have been stripped of any privacy and dignity. Their lives are laid open for the world to see. There is no amount of money that could tempt me to do that to my own children.

L said...

I have pictures of me as a toddler/small child in the late 80s and early 90s--my sisters and I are wearing SHOULDER PADS, in some we have crimped hair, and the clothes are all lines and patterns and bold colors, sequins, appliqu├ęs--AWFUL. Also, there is one horrible picture my grandmother took of me, my twin, and our oldest sister in the bathtub in spite of my mother forbidding her to do so. I don't know what's happened to that picture, but if it's still around and ever finds the light of day I'm lying and saying it's my next-youngest sister. These are very, very minor embarrassments compared to having high-quality video capturing everything for your children to look up 30 years from now. I feel badly for kids like this. I feel even worse at the thought that they may grow up never to understand what the big deal is because they simply won't know any better.


So it can be done and the kids can be happy and well cared for and private. But it takes some work on the parents part instead of looking for everyone else to do it for you. We chose to have the children so it's our responsiblity to care for them.

Thank you! My parents also raised/my father is raising a whole mess of kids and if you're genuinely organized and willing to work very hard, it can be done. If you are lazy and want to turn it into an agony art, then parenthood in any form is probably not the best option for you.

This show is so short-sighted. Not only is it potentially limiting these kids in the future, but it's unknown what provisions are being made for them for the money THEY earn (because no matter what nonsense Kon or their defenders try to talk, theses children are not wholly-owned subsidiaries of Kon Korp.) In fact, by Kon's own words (no college funds, expecting "the Lord" to provide) we can deduce that at least part of their future has not been covered.

Like my mother used to say when I wasn't being proactive, "The Lord helps those who help themselves. Now go do something!"



Anonymous said...

I think likening this show to a child filming on a movie set is a bit of a stretch. It does seem like the children appear "tired, hot, sweaty and irritable more than you may expect on average" but this may or may not be the case. We have to keep in mind a couple of things: we are only shown half hour segments of their lives and this is, after all, a television show! The shows are edited to attain the maximum number of viewers. People like to watch drama, they want to see meltdowns. We see this with every other reality show out there. If the kids are miserable, they will show it. If they put every single melt down on the show, it would definitely appear as though these kids are miserable more often than not. I think overall they seem like pretty happy children, not even considering their unfortunate circumstances.


I think this misses the point that, with editing or not, with the construction of a storyline for maximum drama or not, that even if these children "seem happy", it's wrong to put their lives out there for display and discussion. A child on a set has legal protections and is not portraying themselves; they get to leave and go to the sanctuary of their home, and they are paid for their time. They are better off. Also, I don't want to analyze the children too much but I will say that their parents seem to have a discipline problem and that most children don't act like that in happy homes. If theirs is a happy home, mine was positively ecstatic. I am surprised when I read them being described as "well-behaved."

You edit Grey's Anatomy or Law & Order for maximum drama, not the most intimate moments of children who are unable to refuse and therefore unable to consent. And, again, even if they seem happy, that doesn't mean that 1) their best interest are being looked after and 2) that they will remain "happy." I bet a fat kid with ice cream is a lot happier in that moment than a skinny kid with an apple, but what about when they're in the same locker room in school, or in gym class? The heavy kid's happiness is fleeting, but the skinnier kid's parents are thinking long-term to a more sustainable happiness. It's parenting, not popularity.

-Lauren

Renee said...

What's even more creepy is the DVDs. Their entire childhood in widespread circulation FOR PEOPLE TO OWN. I have read many a time "OMG the kids are sooooo qt, I need those DVDs!" Us fine folks at GWoP are constantly accused of being nutcases but we're (I hope) not going around buying videos of some other family's memories/kids.

mlou said...

I agree I would never put my family up for sale. Some people just don't get it. I have seen many different places where this blog gets criticized. While I'll admit things do get posted that are irrelevant to the kids (Olive Garden cups and the cost of Kon's vacation home), I believe that this blog does care about the real issues at hand. I've only been posting for about 2 weeks, but I am already amazed at how fast this blog seems to be growing in that short amount of time. People have the right to critize this blog or any other. That's the Freedom of Speech. And by the same token, posters on GWOP have the freedom of speech to voice their concerns. More importantly, the freedom of these children need to be taken into serious consideration. While some may think we are all picking on this family because we are jealous or have nothing better to do; I ask that you take a serious look at what these kids go through. I no longer watch the show, but I still think about these kids on a daily basis and think of what I can do. All I'm saying is for those that just don't get it , take off the blinders and take a hard look at what is unfolding. And if you still don't get it, then you are just part of the problem.

Sig said...

I think the difference between all of us who would not sell our private life for fame and fortune, and KON, is work ethic. None of us would have a problem doing what we had to do to provide - working three jobs, wearing secondhand clothes, owning mismatched cribs...

My husband and I are doing the same procedure KON had done right now due to our ACTUAL(and not contrived) infertility which has caused us to take YEARS to get pregnant (not 6 months). We know the risk is that we might have more than one or two babies, however a small risk, and therefore we have chosen to not proceed with the procedure if I have more than the number of follicles that would keep us having at the most four. Why do we choose this? Because we have COMMON SENSE to know that we do not have the room in our home or vehicles for seven children at once. Because we have the COMMON SENSE to realize that my husband's ER nurse position would not pay for all the diapers and bottles and clothing. Because we have COMMON SENSE to know that we are not ENTITLED to the help that would probably be offered, and therefore would not count on it. If we were blessed with more children than we are planning on, we have a financial plan to handle it. Plain and simple.

There is a family called the Hayes family who had TWO sets of twins, and gave birth to sextuplets shortly after KON had the tups. Im sure they struggle, and I am sure they have had things donated to them(although Im sure none of it came from the Gosselin family...wouldnt that be an awesome special, to see the Gosselins help out another family with TWO sets of twins and the tups? Yeah right...that would be the right thing to do). However, they have not had to find a television network to sell their souls to in order to survive, obviously. This debunks anyone's excuse that "they do what they have to do to support their family."

Sure, Id let someone pay me for photos or limited video of my child, if that helped pay the bills. Sure, I'd take a free trip to NYC for an appearance on GMA or whatnot...and heck yes, Id take a free tummy tuck for this belly that hangs down as bad as Kate's even though I only had one. Would I do it if it meant my child's personal privacy was invaded on a weekly basis? No. If it shed a poor light on my marriage and caused my husband to look like he had no balls? No. If it caused hatred towards me that would someday affect my children? No. Not on my life.

Anonymous said...

I would not do a reality show for any reason, I am very private and treasure the dignity of my kids.

I would have been OK if KON had just done a yearly update after filming the first couple of specials. That would have been a little bonus income. Jon should still be working for the state of PA and there is no reason why Kate cannot continue weekends or every other weekend as a nurse.

What kind of an example are they setting for their kids? They do not work outside the home.

The KONS sold their kids privacy and dignity for the almight dollar. The level of greed keeps increasing. No end in sight . It is sad.

seashell said...

Some things just don't have a price...my kids' childhoods and our family privacy are two such things.

I cannot imagine any pedophile or crazy "fan" buying my home movie DVD's to watch over and over again. I cannot imagine SELLING pictures of my children to complete strangers.

My dignity as a mother and my childrens' privacy are worth way more than any amount of money.

Mimi said...

The answer to the question is no, I would not allow my child to be shown on television, for all the world to see, in the manner in which those children have been shown. I can just imagine how thrilled numerous pedophiles are to have the opportunity to buy those episodes on DVD.

Apparently, not all of us are that obsessed with money and aren't interested in pimping our children out.

Anonymous said...

I am puzzled about the premise of this comment What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday? -
I take the expression "red-blooded American" as a spirited person passionate about being american - so does this comment equate being a fan of J&K plus 8 and specifically how much money they are scamming with how patriotic one is? And then by inference, if you are not a fan, and question J&K's decision to force their very young children to be the breadwinners of the family, then you are unpatriotic... or... siding with the terrorists?

I know it's an election year, but politicizing the question gets as low as I thought you could get.

Serena said...

I take the expression "red-blooded American" as a spirited person passionate about being american - so does this comment equate being a fan of J&K plus 8 and specifically how much money they are scamming with how patriotic one is? And then by inference, if you are not a fan, and question J&K's decision to force their very young children to be the breadwinners of the family, then you are unpatriotic... or... siding with the terrorists?

That question was first posed by PurplRosez in this comment. She would have to be the one to elaborate on its meaning and any underlying subtext.

Anonymous said...

I would never put my kids on a show where their lives were thrown out to the world.

Back when my kids where little I had a websight with their pictures up, no problem I thought, they are cute.

That was all fine and fun until one day at the mall a woman stopped me and asked if we knew each other, I had no clue who she was, it hit her that she had seen my kids pictures on my webpage.

I went home and took it all down and never did it again. Family and friends get pictures through e-mail.

Dew said...

I also would not want me or my family's life filmed no matter the paycheck. And there are dozens of families living in the U.S. with high order multiples who have chosen to not do a full-time series, or at the most have allowed a few "update" specials about their brood every few years. Hardly exploitation. Are they not Americans? I think so, and good ones.

The bigger question here is not what American family would get into this mess in the first place, but what good American wouldn't know when to get out??? The Gosselins need to get out of this now for so many reasons discussed thoroughly on this blog. And yet they do not. And yet they continue to allow their children's lives to be filmed and privacy to be further erroded and film more and more episodes each season. Even more disturbing, they have never made any comment whatsoever to indicate they will get out any time soon if it would be better for the children. In fact they have made many, many comments indicating they will do this show as long as TLC wants them to do it, without regard whatsoever for any other factors. Frightening.

Anonymous said...

I've never had any privacy anyway, so I'd go on TV for a million dollars a year... which is what the Gosselins make.

One of my sisters tries to find out everything about me. She even asked my apartment manager nosy questions about me. Then she repeats the information to relatives all over the country. Could it be any worse if strangers found out about me?

HOber said...

If my life was interesting enough to garnish a reality tv show, I could only see myself doing a yearly special,.

5monkeys said...

I agree with those who said yearly updates on the family would be preferable to their current situation.

50 NEW upcoming episodes is insane. These poor children are having their lives intruded upon, and I don't understand why J&K can't see this.

If J&K keep up with this, they will never have a "normal" childhood, and never know what it's like to just be a kid.

Somewhere down the road, there will be a "where are they now" special, and I can only imagine how theirs would turn out if Kate keeps pushing them into the TV spotlight. Alot of child stars turn out to be drug addicts, criminals, etc. It's so sad.

Anonymous said...

My right to privacy is NOT for sale. No amount of $$ and a simple signing on the dotted line will convince me otherwise!

Anonymous said...

Someone upthread speculated that Jon and Kate are going to push this farce along until they hit 100 episodes so they can sell the series to syndication. This makes tremendous sense to me; I can see them marketing it to Asian and European markets, using family's ethnicity as a hook.

Jen said...

My husband and I also have a website for our family where we post pictures and updates but it's password protected and we've only invited family and close friends to view it. I also check the logins periodically to make sure the password hasn't gotten out and I plan to change the password every six months from now on. There are too many weirdos out there who can take an innocent snapshot of a cute child and through Photoshop, turn it into something really twisted and evil. I've seen it done with celebrities on some gossip blogs and it's pretty sick.

These parents are, dare I say, not too bright. Any responsible parent who is looking out ONLY for their kids and not themselves would see from the very beginning that this whole thing was a bad idea.

Anonymous said...

I found this quite humorous, I didnt realize how long this had been going on and that the peopl in the community hadnt really liked them, THis is from three years ago. OUCH!!

Maybe this has been posted before but Ihave never seenit until today.

Hey. People we don't write the articles. Make sure you have all the facts before you comment. Also do you believe everything you read in the newpaper or see on television. Do you believe everything on the internet? Also the Pittsburgh article is from a columnist not a journalist big difference. Until you walked in our shoes don't tell us anyhting about your life. You must compare apples and apples. The State made us promises and then took them away. How would you feel if you depended on something and it was taken from you? At the last minute. No planning. I think people should realize what is happening. Most people stand idly by and watch and never ask. So don't sterotype us. That's just plain ignorant. The media will make us out to who they want us to be. Lets remember the care is for my six kids not for the twins or my wife and I. Let me tell you its a scary thing putting privacy out there. You can't hide someone will always find you. You have to weigh the whole situation. Finally, I will do everything and anything for my family especially my kids.

Posted by: Jonathan at May 20, 2005 01:34 PM

More BS Jonathan. The bottom line is you're asking for a handout when you clearly don't deserve one. You're no different than anyone else with a large family. Maybe it's time you realized that. You cant hang on to your 15 minutes forever. It's over - now move on.

Posted by: Anonymous at May 20, 2005 01:47 PM

hey. Why are you Anonymous? Whats to hide.

Posted by: Jonathan at May 20, 2005 01:50 PM

Because I don't want you to know who I am; that's what anonymous means.
And why are you playing on the Internet when you should be working to support your family of 10?

Posted by: Anonymous at May 20, 2005 02:10 PM

http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/mother/archives/2005/05/here_we_go_agai.html

Anonymous said...

I don't think Kon realize or even care what the long term problems they are creating for all their children are. In my opinion they think they are laughing all the way to the bank. Once their children are grown and gone if they are still together, J&K, which is a big if, they seem the types who would be sick of the kids anyway and just sitting back and congratulating themselves on a con well played. Not many of us, even those born with a huge trust fund, can get through life living well without putting in a day's work. Oh, yes, indeed, I am very interested in reading at least Mady's tell-all book because I think she has the Kate vindictiveness gene (although I like Mady and feel sorry for her most of the time) and will really tell it like it was.

Anonymous said...

to hober,

TLC could arrange outings and vacations to make your life interesting enough for you to have your own reality TV show.

Also, the show about the little people is just like the Gosselin show... They have arranged outings and vacations. On one episode, they played paintball, then for the next episode they went on a vacation.

Anonymous said...

Hey. People we don't write the articles. Make sure you have all the facts before you comment. Also do you believe everything you read in the newpaper or see on television. Do you believe everything on the internet? Also the Pittsburgh article is from a columnist not a journalist big difference. Until you walked in our shoes don't tell us anyhting about your life. You must compare apples and apples. The State made us promises and then took them away. How would you feel if you depended on something and it was taken from you? At the last minute. No planning. I think people should realize what is happening. Most people stand idly by and watch and never ask. So don't sterotype us. That's just plain ignorant. The media will make us out to who they want us to be. Lets remember the care is for my six kids not for the twins or my wife and I. Let me tell you its a scary thing putting privacy out there. You can't hide someone will always find you. You have to weigh the whole situation. Finally, I will do everything and anything for my family especially my kids.

Posted by: Jonathan at May 20, 2005 01:34 PM
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Dear GOD!!! My nine year old can put thoughts together better than that. Who is going to help those poor children with their homework in the future?
Jon, take advantage of some of your non-working hours (ha)and enroll yourself in a writing class!

Anonymous said...

"Let me tell you its a scary thing putting privacy out there."

Since making this statement in 2005, Jon obviously hasnt acquired the ability to realize that HE is the one responsible for jeopardizing the very safety of his own children by exposing their privacy for all the world to see in the form of a reality tv show. As it certainly didnt stop him from agreeing to the filming of 40-50 new episodes.

Anonymous said...

I quickly grew aggitatied with both J&K and LPBW when I realized that both shows became less and less about families meeting the challenges of their unique situations and more and more about newly priviledged families enjoying vacations, home improvement projects and makeovers, IE the teeth whitening episode.

To be fair, we need to blame THIS on the producers of the show, not the familyies. I am certain it is the producers that come up with the ideas. And they know we don't want to watch the families do thier same routines week after week so they try to come up with ideas to make the shows interesting and different for the viewers. Otherwise, why would we watch more than a couple shows?

I think this is where the producers underestimate the viewers. I, for one, enjoy the simpler episodes much more than the travel shows or the make over type stuff. I am sick to death of watching other people go to spas. And if I want to watch travel programs, there is an entire Travel Channel! I tune in to see what it is like for a family living with unique challenges, not to see a family with unique priviledges. To me, it is much more interesting to watch the Roloff twins attend a school dance and to hear what the teens have to say about it than to watch the family go on ANOTHER vacation. (Though occasionally it's interesting.) Likewise, I find it more enjoyable to see the Gosselin kids have a Valentine's day scavenger hunt or play in the snow, or even mug the camera than to see John and Kate get their teeth whitened or see Kate get excited over a jelly fish while the kids wait in the car.

Both shows, but especially J&K have become less and less about the families and more about projects, spa visits, travel and other such luxuries that many (most?) of us average-joe viewers do not consider a part of everyday life.

Jon K said...

OK, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and be a lone voice (probably) and say, "Yes, I would be willing do do this." But there would be some conditions attached...

First of all, there would be the question of what the purpose of the program would be. Yes, obviously, entertainment value is important (for the networks, anyway), but there has to be more than that... the reason why anyone would want to watch us.

In my family's case, we're foster to adopt parents... we have one adopted boy, and a foster daughter at the present time. This is how we've chosen to build our family. We've watched "Adoption Stories" (I don't know if it's on the same channel or a different one, honestly), and I don't think the whole story gets told there... leading up to an adoption is a HUGE process, and even then, once the adoption happens, that's really only the beginning of things. Watching how a foster or adopted child is integrated into a family, seeing how they develop, etc. is something that most people are completely clueless about.

I would also insist on the cameras being as inobtrusive as possible -- preferablly hidden cameras instead of a live camera crew in the house itself. That's a problem I see on J&K+8 -- the kids are aware of the camera people all the time, and they're not going to act the same way as they probably would when the cameras aren't there.

Everything would have to be negotiated -- what can go on the air, what can't. Yes, it's manipulating the reality of things, but every reality show does it. Heck, in the case of our foster daughter, her bio-family members would need to okay it, as well as the family court judge, and privacy would need to be maintained as much as possible.

There are other conditions that would need to be made, too -- but yes, the extra money would be very nice to have, and I'm sure there would be other benefits, to boot. I couldn't see doing nearly as many episodes per year as J&K are, however!

Jon

Andrea said...

I really wonder what the new 50 episodes are about. I can only watch so many "one time" getaways!

Anonymous said...

"Everything would have to be negotiated -- what can go on the air, what can't. Yes, it's manipulating the reality of things, but every reality show does it. Heck, in the case of our foster daughter, her bio-family members would need to okay it, as well as the family court judge, and privacy would need to be maintained as much as possible."

In my state it is expressly forbideen by law for foster children to be filmed, photographed or exposed to the media in anyway. Their privacy and that of the biological family is protected for a reason. I doubt the Court would allow you to have your foster child filmed.

I wish there were some sort of checks and balances regarding what the Gosselin children were allowed to be filmed doing. Bathing, toileting, private activites that have no place on network TV. Obviously they need a higher power than their own parents looking out for them, since Kon is pursuing their self interst rather than the best interest of their children.

Anonymous said...

And let me ask you all this question. Why, now that the kids can express themselves to some extent, do we need to hear Kon narrate and snicker and explani and make fun of the kids? I'm sick to death of both of them.

Anonymous said...

Of course I would consider it and probably would agree to a few shows. In today's economy and the high cost of higher education, it would be tempting. I can understand how Jon and Kate got caught up in the special treatment, freebies and cash. But, what bothers me most about these two is their begging at speaking engagements, sense of entitlement and Kate's general bitchy attitude. The lack of respect she displays towards her marriage does not reflect their so called "christian lifestyle". If I were to be caught up in all the perks like they have, I would hope my family and close friends would help me to take a closer look at the situation. Unfortunately for the Gosselin children, extended family and close family friends do not exist in their lives. It's such a shame that the closest friends that the Gosselins have are tv crew members and hired help. I can't imagine why Kate is not embarrassed by her behavior on the show and instead of improving it, she seems to get worse. It's sad to watch a man beaten down like Jon but he doesn't have the balls to stand up to his so called wife.
If I had a tv show and there were so many negative comments about my family and especially me, I really would pull the plug and say enough. Kate Gosselin's greed is unbelievable to me. This woman can not be satisfied, she will never be satisfied.

bk said...

I want to point out something (and I need to word it carefully, so please stay with me, if I ramble a bit). Jon, in that paragraph, talks about some "promises" that were made to them and not kept. The interesting part about that was the fact that, early on, he would say "Kate was told x." or "Kate was told y." Some of what he's referring to is, I'm sure, the help of the nurse. Kate said something to the family, very early on (before all the tups were released) about the state providing this nurse "until they didn't need her anymore" and "the tups were healthy and close to caught up developmentally". People who asked, "how long do you think that will be?" were told "We don't know. It could be years." At the time, it was thought that at least some of the tups would have development, physical, and mental issues due to their prematurity. But, they are actually remarkably healthy. The kids did very well their first year and, as we all know, the state said, "OK. They're healthy. Our obligation is done." But, just remembering what Kate would say in the beginning, I think she truly anticipated that the nurse would be there for YEARS. And, I really believe that she told Jon as much. It always struck me as odd that Jon was never the one who would say "This is what they told me." It was "this is what Kate was told."

As for other "promises",...this has stymied a bunch of us (even family). It's not like the Mayor of Oz stood up and said, "We'll do this, this, this, this, and this." Most people simply reassured Jon and Kate that there would be help and everyone would help them do this. Somehow, that become synonomous with a promise. He's also, no doubt, referring to is job. Allegedly, he was told that the governor's office understood his family obligations and would be flexible. But, once again, the definition of flexible meant one thing to the office and another to Jon and Kate. I suspect that Kon thought it was a situation where he could not show up or put in a half-day and still get paid. Whereas, in reality, they meant, "Sure. You can be ten minutes late or leave a bit early now-and-then." There was also an issue with the commute. It was "too long". Which, I can't argue, it would be a long commute! But, did he really exect them to move the state capitol to Wyo or E-town? I blame both parties for not clarifying what "the promises" legitimately were.

However, Jon's whining (and that's what it was/is) is silly. No one owes them anything. His family, tups included, are entitled to nothing above-and-beyond what any other family in the state could receive. They've already received, failed promises or not, twenty times more than any other family.

Someone else nailed it: they're a family of ten. The fact that there are tups is interesting, but sort of irrelevant to entitlement. Other people have eight children and manage to finance their life by themselves, with no help at all. They work hard. They take few, if any trips, and probably skip the plastic surgery and vanity care because they HAVE TO worry about real emergencies and medical bills. To hear Jon and Kate bemoan what they don't have is unbelievable. Even small things like Kate's camera (which, by the way, I was rooting for the camera to seize every time she got her panties twisted about it),...seriously, if it sucks that bad, go buy a new one. You're not poor. They sell cameras in Florida and Pennsylvania (and pretty much every where).

Anonymous said...

Why, now that the kids can express themselves to some extent, do we need to hear Kon narrate and snicker and explani and make fun of the kids? I'm sick to death of both of them. Me to, sister, me too. I hate channel surfing and there are their fat faces mocking a child, or Kate correcting her husband. Or as just now there was bleached blond striped Kate commenting on when she first meet Jon he had such lovely hair. I guess this is the hair plug episode. Shallow stupid people with poor English. Torture to have to listen to them even when they aren't being nasty about a child. I can't click past them quick enough.

Anonymous said...

Question: What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday? And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week? I can't say that I blame them for the choices that they've made.

I wonder if this poster really meant "who wouldn't do it" or "who wouldn't be tempted to do it", because I'm willing to bet most would be tempted by the perks. I would. Free house, free furnishings, free nanny, free chef, free monthly vacations, free weekly (daily?) outings to kid-friendly places, free food, free gas. Essentially a trust-fund life with all the goodies and none of the back-breaking work to achieve it.

But when you weigh any of that against what you would have to do to recieve it - that's where most would say HECK NO. And that's the difference between J&K and their detractors. Few if any are willing to sacrifice their children's emotional well-being, sell our their childhood, or essentially act as their child's pimp in exchange for any prize.

I don't look down on them for seizing an opportunity but I do look upon their decision to continue as extremely irresponsible. They've seen the show, they see how it's edited. They see their "private" insulting comments towards their children, they let their children watch the show and hear those "private" comments about them (how did poor Mady feel when she heard what her mom truly thought about her bracelet? Or is she so used to the verbal abuse that it doesn't affect her?). And yet they continue to churn out episode after episode giving their children no time to just be children.

If they film 3-4 days a week, and J&K are away at speaking engagements 3-4 days a week, when do they ever have private time as a family? Just the 10 of them? I'm willing to bet never. And who's with the kids while they're away? Whomever it is basically has shared custody as they're with that person(s) just as much, if not more, than J&K.

So to get back to the question at hand - would I give up my rights as a parent, my children's rights to grow up anonymously, in order to live at the whim of a TV show producer? No. No freebie is worth our lives.

Sharla said...

Not to mention that they weren't paid money for the early episodes. The payment was the freebie of the week in the episode such as the beds for the tups or the side of beef. So yes, they sold out Collin's comfort, security in being cared for while badly constipated, and privacy for six bunk beds and two trundle beds. Fair exchange? We should ask him in a few years? No wonder Kate was atudying that catelogue for all she was worth. She had to figure out how to wrangle the most she could out of the deal.

linnea said...

excerpt from bk's post:

"However, Jon's whining (and that's what it was/is) is silly. No one owes them anything. His family, tups included, are entitled to nothing above-and-beyond what any other family in the state could receive. They've already received, failed promises or not, twenty times more than any other family."


What a lovely, well thought out post bk. You said exactly what I've been thinking- but I didn't know how to put it to words. It's hard to make the sheeple understand that many of PAs fine residents knew what Kon was up to three years ago and that they didn't just show up on TLC out of nowhere. Do any locals remember how in every one of their early interviews they cried for a 15 passenger van? Their life was not going to be complete until they got that van. Does anyone know if the Sprinter was donated?

What I am afraid of next is some kind of product lines. I'm serious, will they come out with J&K +8 stain remover? Sippy cups? Bibs? Stain-proof clothing? Since little ones seem to like the show will there be children's books about the tups? I'm afraid this is the next logical (illogical) step in the exploitation machine.

Anonymous said...

I for one would be okay with it but would need several conditions. I would be fine with them airing the adults with whatever footage they got as with any reality show, but I would only do it if I had veto power over what footage of the kids got on the show. For those who say they would rather work 3 jobs than do a show like this, all I have to say is that there is nothing more valuable to me than time spent with my kids. If I had the opportunity to quit my job now so I could spend all day with my kids, I would do it in a heartbeat. And if I had a means of doing so while setting up college funds for them, taking them places I would never otherwise get to take them, and letting them experience things they would never otherwise get to experience, all the better.

What I find amusing is how everyone thinks they know the "best" way to raise kids. You see it all the time. People criticizing other parents for the parenting choices they make, as if somehow, there is some magic formula the creates the perfect child. Fact is, short of frank abuse, the vast majority of kids turn out okay. Yes, yes, there will be those who cry "This is abuse!" as do people who criticize parents who spank their kids. Yet the vast majority of kids who were spanked turn out to be productive members of society. It's in the eye of the beholder, yet so many people seem to think there is only one view to be had.

Pastorsgurl said...

Boycott TLC.. Did you notice there is nowhere to comment about KON on their site. I think charging for photos is so white trash. They are not Hollywood stars. I used to love it, then they got weird and strange and greedy. Listing a plastic surgeon on your website is just freaky. I would never use him. I also would not use any sponsor on their website intentionally. I feel so bad for Aunt Jodi. I bet if TLC did a show on her life it would be a hit. We all LOVE her. She seems to be a caring, wonderful mom and Beth is a dear. If it is true that KON threw a fit at the thought of Aunt Jodi getting paid, then that is especially sad. I really am appalled at TLC and the churches who hosts these people. I would love to see World Vision, Good Samaritan or something like that on their website and then maybe the respect would come back, but for now TLC, consider me never watching that crazy show again....

anonrealitytv"star" said...

(I'm going to be very vague here to protect my privacy, even if I whored it to a tv network before)

I volunteered to have my story taped for a documentary show on a music television network a couple of years ago. I thought it would be cathartic to get my story out there and close that chapter in my life for good.

Halfway through filming I found out that I was pregnant with my first child. Immediately I began to be really protective. The film crew asked if they could film my first ultrasound. I agreed. As filming went on, I felt more protective over my future child, and refused more and more of the producer's requests (filming the ultrasound where we discovered the sex of the baby, revealing our chosen baby name, filming the revelation to our families that I was pregnant, our holidays, etc) and I felt like I wanted out.

I fulfilled my requirement for the show, but it was with a lot of standing up and saying "no" to the producers and film crew in regards to exploiting my family. I was ok with exploiting my own life for tv, but not the life of my husband or child. I'm really glad that I took the initiative and put a stop to the intruding behavior of the film crew in regards to my child.

I know this is small potatoes compared to some of the things we've seen on this Gosselin reality show, and hell, my baby was still a fetus while I was filming! But I just can't imagine selling my family's pictures to the masses and having icons made with user-added doodles and thought bubbles or videos made or people calling my child a brat.

It kind of breaks my heart when I think about it too much, that the Gosselin kids have no say in any of that, and their parents are too chicken-sh*t and greedy to stand up and say NO.

I would also like to add that I have come to value my privacy and luckily it wasn't a very viewed or popular show. I have since cancelled my DirecTV subscription and now we are a TV-free family. I admit, if we hadn't turned the TV off I'd probably still be watching this show in horror.