A Vanishing Act

Administrative note: Special thanks to BohemianMoon whose investigative efforts were quite helpful in compiling the information below.

In last month's blog entry titled Leaving the Churches High and Dry, we presented information on how Jon and Kate Gosselin were starting to renege on some of their promises to churches and other organizations that had booked them for speaking engagements.

This chain of broken promises coincided with a significant change of the Gosselins' booking conditions: $25,000 PLUS first class airfare and all expenses paid.

Their excuse? They need to spend more time with their kids. This would be great news if they weren't turning right around and continuing to book appearances to anyone who can cough up the money.

In response to numerous requests by readers, we are providing you with a list of known cancellations to date. In addition to the list below, some of the scheduled appearances still remaining on their calendar are rather tenuous and may also end up on the canceled list; watch this blog for further developments.

May 17, 2008 - Colorado Parents of Multiples Convention (Vail, CO) - canceled

May 17, 2008 - Mt. Zion Lutheran Church (Boulder, CO) - canceled

September 27-28, 2008 - New Life Community Church (Pineville/Alexandria, LA)
- canceled

November 1, 2008 - Noel Memorial UM Church (Shreveport, LA)
- canceled

January 23, 2009 - Mission Hills Church (Mission Viego, CA)
- canceled

January 24, 2009 - Mount of Olives Church (Mission Viejo, CA)
- canceled

January 25, 2009 - Bible Fellowship Church (Ventura, CA)
- canceled

March 7, 2009 - First Christian Church MOPS (Elizabethtown, KY) - canceled

April 18, 2009 - Free Methodist Southern Michigan Conference - canceled

October 23, 2009 - Ohio Child Conservation League (Huron, OH) - canceled

Surely self-professed Christians Jon and Kate prayed for guidance when making these changes... I wonder what made God change His mind and tell them that their special brand of Christian inspiration should be offered only to groups who can afford it?

148 comments:

Anonymous said...

And I cannot wait until I see this posted:

TLC's Jon & Kate Plus 8...CANCELLED

Anonymous said...

Is it groups that can afford it or groups that can make it worth Jon and Kate's while to leave their children for the weekend?

Lonnyswife said...

But it isn't about money............right everybody??? More ludicrous behavior but anymore not surprising. Thanks to BohemianMoon and Serena.
And to anyone reading who might have involvement with a church/assoc/org that had the Gosselins cancel: It may not be obvious to you at this point in time but they have actually done you a favor. The Gosselin's really aren't people you want to be presenting to your parishoners/members as shining examples of goodness and light who have come into their bounty due to hard work and their love of God. I am sure each of you can find a host of other speakers who would be happy to speak to your group because they have something heartfelt and compelling to share. And they want to share so that others may be able to benefit, not so they (the speaker) can benefit. I wish I could apologize on their behalf but there is no excuse for what they are doing.

Hugabug said...

I'm confused about the timeline. Were the events still on their calendar booked after these venues were cancelled or before?

Anonymous said...

It is pretty obvious that Jon and Kate have absolutely nobody left now to leave their 8 kids with. How sad that Kate's actions have left them with nobody/nothing. I can't imagine how Kate is behaving now that she is no longer the center of the community.. well I guess she is the center of the TLC camera crew, but they must think she is a joke.

Seriously, who in the world could they responsibly leave their kids with now? It would be irresponsible in my opinion to leave them with Jen. they are simply too young to be left with one young girl.

Also, on another note, I put alot of blame on Jen, the producer. Actually, she is pretty good about not letting on to Kate that Kate has made an absolute idiot out of herself on television (for years).

Also, to be honest, I think most of Kate's OCD is an act. Kate is a depressed person and would rather stay in bed and sleep than participate in life. She doesn't want to jump in and LIVE -so she hides behind her claim to be afraid of heights and hurting herself, etc.

I wish that we could find out more about Kate's childhood b/c let's face it - this isn't all Kate's fault, i.e. that she ended up being such a mess. Something must have been seriously wrong in her household when she was growing up.

Anonymous said...

OMG! They cancelled the churches in my area too. I really wanted to go and hear their excuses...

balletbrat said...

Jon and Kate, you are a DISGRACE. Unfreakingbelievable!!!

You are letting money DESTROY your lives.

SmartyQ said...

Also, to be honest, I think most of Kate's OCD is an act. Kate is a depressed person and would rather stay in bed and sleep than participate in life. She doesn't want to jump in and LIVE -so she hides behind her claim to be afraid of heights and hurting herself, etc.
Oh, she'll be out of bed and living. Think book tour, first class travel, fine hotels, no children.

I wish that we could find out more about Kate's childhood b/c let's face it - this isn't all Kate's fault, i.e. that she ended up being such a mess. Something must have been seriously wrong in her household when she was growing up.
Katie is 35 years old; now it is her fault because she won't do anything about her problems. In fact, she doesn't think she has anything wrong with her. Jon, OTOH . . . BK has written that Katie was treated quite well by her family when she was young. Her sister, Clairissa, speaks well of her parents. Kate trusted her parents to care for the twins while she was on bed rest in the hospital prior to the tups' birth. Do you allow people who have scarred you emotionally to care for the most precious things in your life? I wouldn't.

IMO, Kate will never be happy, and it will never be her fault.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I wish that we could find out more about Kate's childhood b/c let's face it - this isn't all Kate's fault, i.e. that she ended up being such a mess. Something must have been seriously wrong in her household when she was growing up.

8/27/2008 9:03 PM


I agree that something happened to make Kate the way she is, but I also think that once you are an adult, you have to stand up and take responsibility for who and what you are. You need to say, "Ok this is what happened to me, but I will no longer let it define who I am."

I don't believe Kate will ever stand up and admit that she has problems or that she will ever try to change them or improve herself.

Anonymous said...

TO Anonynous at 10:01 pm. You don't think kate would ever admit her wrongdoing? I don't know - you may be right.

thing is, if I were kate and even if I spent 1 hour on this gosselines without pity website, I would be mortified and very depressed. the world is on to her, but there is a possibility that she isn't even on to herself.

Personally, I am pretty emotionally upset about the whole situation (and lord knows it is a TV show) but the thing is we are all witnessing the formation of little spirits and we are all witnessing a very troubled childhood, to be frank, i.e. parents that constantly yell at each other and treat each other horribly, emphasis placed on eating meals and trucking around in the van to every park in the U.S., no emotional guidance, and subject to arbitrary and ridiculous rules that won't allow them to even color at the crayon factory. We are witnessing the destruction and sadness being inflicted on Joel, as just one example - putting him on a cold floor with a paper thin blanket while these huge laundry machines were on and noisy above him, making the noisy room dark, and shutting the door and leaving him all alone. We are witnessing some sad stuff and I want Kate to recognize that her parenting needs help or she is going to seriously damage these kids.

I want her to change. If you read this website and it was about you, wouldn't you run out to the emergency room therapist for some prozac?

Anonymous said...

To anonymous 8/27 at 5:01 pm. I was one person who wrote about being concerned about how the kids were fared if the money stopped coming in from the show.

If they have indeed amassed approximately $2 million dollars, and if indeed they never have to pay for house expenses or medical expenses in the future, then I have no worries.

But all of this is speculation. We have no confirmation that they are actually getting $70K per episode, and nobody has mentoined any confirmed speaking engagement that brings in $25,000.00 (I sort of doubt they will be able to get
$25,000 to speak to folks - after all, we see them on tv for free each week).

You seem to have much more insider info than I do (such as kate never having to pay for any of the clothes, and Kate never having to pay for any expenses, such as gas, etc.)

the bottom line for me is I say yes, take the kids off of TV and start focusing on their well being - as long as there is enough money to take care of those kids long term (including any medical emergencies and such).

That was my concern - I want the kids to still have opporutunities.. but certainly they don't need to eat crabcakes and dress in matching GAP outfits each day. I would love it if Kate had to start shopping for second hand clothes (actually) as you can find cute darling clothes at a bargain.

Nnurses don't really make enough to support a family of 8, JOn can't really keep a job.. and at least one parent should be home, imo.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for compiling all of the cancellation information. Seeing it in print makes a difference in understanding it.
Yes, Jon and Kate CAN work at jobs and support their family, just as other families do. It's lame to think that if the show doesn't continue, the children would be practically begging in the streets or go without items needed to live. In addition to the weekly job incomes they would still be supplied with so many freebies, just because they are well-known and there are always kind souls out there, in addition to people hoping to push their products. Do NOT discount the ability of two working parents to bring up 8 childen. It happens all the time. No, they would not have all the vacations, etc...that they have now. But they CAN bring up the kids with both working. That is NOT an excuse to keep subjecting the family to constant cameras and all that goes with the notariety. I know someone years ago who used to go to visit PTL. (And this is NOT a slam about PTL...just information). My friends became friends with a couple which worked for the Bakkers. So many people sent in hand made blankets, pillows, household items, etc...Tammy could not possibly contain it all. She GAVE so much of it to her workers, cleaning people, etc...that they were able to in turn, give away things to my friends when they visited. I am just saying this to let you know that when people appear regularly on TV, viewers think they become "close" to them and want to give them things, almost as though they are family. You have no idea how far-reaching this becomes. People give freely. In addition, as we know, they have been guaranteed free hair cuts, clothing, etc...YES two adults working in that family could support the family. Just ask the posters how many of them came from large families.

Ravello said...

" Nnurses don't really make enough to support a family of 8, JOn can't really keep a job.. and at least one parent should be home, imo."

Followup comment - Millions of parents, single and married, work outside the home to support the children they created. Some of them are working minimum wage jobs to survive.
Some choose not to work and are living off the taxpayers, we call that system welfare.

The KONS have marketable skills and can join forces to support their family.
If they want a parent in the home most of the time, they can alternate workdays, shifts, schedules.

Kate is not exactly a hands on mother and she is home full time unless on a free vacation somewhere. So what difference will it make if she goes to work?

The tups are now 4 years old, the twins are almost 8. They will all be in school full time within a year or two.

I will not feel the least bit sorry for them when the financial gravy train ends. They cannot live on the backs of the sextuplets and twins forever.

Anonymous said...

July 2007 - NOMOTC in Boston -- NEARLY canceled and reduced to Jon only -- they canceled their appearance via their new publicist. Only a great deal of negotiating, begging, pleading, capitulating and boot-licking got JON there to speak, as they had previously promised. He got first-class air fare and a HIRED bodyguard to escort him the entire time.

AmandaT said...

As a nurse, I have to say that once you have experience in a specialty, you can make very good money. You can work through a local nursing agency and make a high paying contract (often with a bonus upon completion of a certain number of weeks); you can work for a travel agency (either take the family, or take an assignment close to home) - high hourly wage, living expenses stipend, and often a bonus at the end of 14 weeks.

Many hospitals offer weekend incentive programs where you get a high rate of pay for taking weekend shifts.

I know these things because I have agencies calling me weekly with wonderful offers that I have to turn down. (Before we had our son, we decided my husband would work full time, and I would work part time. This way we save money by not having to use daycare. As parents, we felt it was important to have a plan for how to support ourselves before our son was born.)

Steph said...

Jon and Kate DID have a plan to support themselves before the sextuplets were born. That's why they started the website and started talking to the press almost immediately. Their plan was for society to support them. And to be honest, their plan worked. They have come a long way from begging on their website and in the local media. Now they are millionaires thanks to the viewers of the show...

For proof of their early begging, go here:
http://www.archive.org
/web/web.php

and put sixgosselins.com for the site. Read away!

luvmytwins said...

Anonymous said...

July 2007 - NOMOTC in Boston -- NEARLY canceled and reduced to Jon only -- they canceled their appearance via their new publicist. Only a great deal of negotiating, begging, pleading, capitulating and boot-licking got JON there to speak, as they had previously promised. He got first-class air fare and a HIRED bodyguard to escort him the entire time.
8/28/2008 4:56 AM

OMG that pisses me off!!!!!! 70% of the women at my table came from all around the country (had to fly to Boston) and the reason was to see those two idiots. I only had to drive two hours so that wasn't too bad, but I am still kicking myself.. It cost me alot, still. BUt, in retrospect if I hadn't seen Jon in person I would still be a fan. It was only seeing him in person that I knew something was phony.. So Kate didn't have a "scheduling" problem, just pissed she wasn't getting any more $$?

Anonymous said...

Kate is not exactly a hands on mother and she is home full time unless on a free vacation somewhere. So what difference will it make if she goes to work?


I have to disagree with this. We may not agree with how she parents but, she is involved in their daily lives and is very hands on. I can't imagine putting all eight in daycare, her income wouldn't even cover that. I also don't think daycare is the best option for children if one parent can be home.

Steph said...

luvmytwins-
I am not sure they had reliable babysitters in July. Jodi was out in May sometime, and Jenny was still a very new sitter at that point. It is more likely that they didn't have anyone to watch the kids overnight.

Not that they were going to admit that. Didn't Kate appear via satellite or something?

Also, maybe I missed it, but what made you believe Jon was a phony?

Anonymous said...

Not worth all of the heartache and worry they caused in a 99% volunteer organization dedicated to providing service to mothers of multiples and more.

Anonymous said...

Since when is it is society responsibility to take care of the
Gosselins children. I dont think that people should worry about how the G's are going to take care of their children. They are pretty resourceful and you would have to be to mastermind a scam of this magnitude. They had us all believing that they were such a poor family that needed mountains of free stuff to get by. This turnded out to be all lies and they are continuing to lie. People if all continue to believe that without this show in G's will be on the street, then you are still feeding into their lies. This show must end and this creative couple must find another means to support their children. I would never give a dime to this family. They are ungrateful, yes the children are cute, but what child is not cute? The children are turning out to be just like their parents and that is sad.
My theory of why the churches are getting cancelled is? She is probably scheduling signings for her upcoming book tour. I wonder if she is going to be charging 20 dollars for a picture or for her to sign the book? Greedy, so greedy.

avidshrewwatcher said...

I am surprised they cancelled their appearance in Southern Michigan, particularly because it was at the "Free" Methodist Church - oh, wait....

seashell said...

I hope word continues to spread about these two and their so-called commitment to spreading the word of God. The only commitment J&K have is to their bank account.

I would be appalled if my church shelled out $25K for these con artists...especially when there are real people in need of basic human necessities. If my church has that much discretionary money, I would much prefer it be spent on those truly in need.

I wish more churches would be the first to cancel. Don't let these con artists reduce you to begging and boot licking. They are SO not worth it.

Anonymous said...

Kate's PR company might be cancelling due to the bad press. They might be hoping all the Jodie truths die down before they have a BIG problem at a question and answer session. Her PR company is not just to make her more money it also strives to make her more appealing.

April said...

I wondered what was going on when I saw the speaking engagements removed from their website. Plotting and planning to get the most $$$... oh, don't forget praying.

Anonymous said...

I see the point that cancelling isn't very nice but, really it can't be both ways. If I was able to make $25,000 for telling my life story I'd prefer to make that than zero. It's one thing to have to leave your children to do public speaking jobs many sextuplet parents do that. It's another to have to leave them home when you aren't bringing home income the family needs. It would've been nice to honor the commitments they'd made or at least offered to give them a very reduced rate if they wanted to keep them.

sistah2 said...

"Kate is not exactly a hands on mother and she is home full time unless on a free vacation somewhere. So what difference will it make if she goes to work?"

anon said
"I have to disagree with this. We may not agree with how she parents but, she is involved in their daily lives and is very hands on. I can't imagine putting all eight in daycare, her income wouldn't even cover that. I also don't think daycare is the best option for children if one parent can be home."

anon, you apparently are not aware of the facts: she is not a hands on mother - has full time nanny - that is a KNOWN fact . She also is not around the kids when traveling for speeches. also - Jon is the hands on parent, IMO. as far as daycare, the kids will not need it since they could possibly go to full day preschool then its kindergarten. Since they are millionaires and have a free nanny - paid for by TLC - I guess I did not understand your point.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the churches cancelled them? Is that possible?

Anonymous said...

They can totally live without the cameras on. She's a nurse. She could pick up night shifts and work all night while Jon's at home with kids. Then she can come home, take them to school while Jon goes to his job, then come back home and sleep all day while they're at school. Then she's not having to sleep while there's anyone else in the house. Then she just waits for them in the afternoon and only has to deal with them by herself until Jon gets home. Normal people do this all the time. When I worked for a preschool I had several single mothers who did this because the night shift paid better and it was the best for their children. They got their kids ready for bed, took them over to a grandparents house, then picked them up in the morning when they got off and brought them to school.

Linda said...

For proof of their early begging, go here:
http://www.archive.org
/web/web.php

Wow thanks Steph for the info. You definitely see how they had planned all along to make their children into money-makers. Man, I wish I'd thought of this before I had to apply for state aid to pay my hospital bills and considered getting food stamps. Boy am I dumb ;)

Anonymous said...

"I will not feel the least bit sorry for them when the financial gravy train ends. They cannot live on the backs of the sextuplets and twins forever."

I agree 100%. J & K are two able bodied individuals fully capable of joining the working class population. Whether or not they are employed in an occupation that will afford them all the luxeries and non essentials in life that they currently grown accustom to is irrelevent to the fact. They are parents of 8 children, as many parents of large families have proven generations over it is possible to raise a family in the absence of a TV reality show and all the perks that come with said.
It is their non stop sense of entitlement on the back's of and at the expense of their children that has got them to where they are today, not the blood, sweat and tears associated with the hard work and dedication required to physcially, emotionally, mentally and financially raise a family! IMO,J & K have been riding the free pass train in life for far too long. It is time for J & K to get a grip on REALITY and let the hot air out of their overblown egos. If J & K want to know what it is like to financially manage and raise a family of 8 children without love offerings, a reality tv show and all the perks that come with, perhaps they should spend some quality time with the many American families that do just that on a daily basis!

Anonymous said...

I think it's interesting that they kept the Orlando one. When I think of Orlando I think Disney and knowing that Kate likes Disney I have a feeling we'll be getting another Disney show from this one. Maybe a cruise this time? Didn't someone say that the resort they stayed at in Hawaii was a Disney Adventure property?

Anonymous said...

http://web.archive.org/web/20041206203920/www.sixgosselins.com/Help/

Were they asking for the public to pay for the twins preschool? These two are unbelievable!

Zoe said...

The fact that Jon and Kate are leaving anyone high and dry really bothers me, but churches? I'm not a religious person in the slightest, but they have cited God as one of the primary reasons that they are so well off now, and although I really disbelieve this, it would be nice to see them do something for the community. I guess I should stop dreaming and accept the fact that Jon and Kate are the way that they are in every area of life, but its just particularly turning their backs on the kind people of the church who want to inspire other people by giving them an example of ordinary people in a very difficult situation, even if such is no longer the case. It is especially hard to accept this, knowing how many people must have been hopeful of catching a glimpse at these so-called inspirational people, perhaps even preparing a love offering, and finding out that their church has been left for another one because of something as un-inspirational and, as far as I know, unimportant in faith as money.

Really, this is just an extension of their coldness to the world when they've found people who can give more, not only strangers with unknown faces but family who loves their children. Why go to a church where you'll only receive a large fee and love offerings when you could go to one with first class flights and great accommodations on top of that? Likewise, why should you allow your giving family to see your children when your network will pay for a "family helper" instead? I do wonder if the churches that are currently offering them everything they desire will some day see how dark their motives really were. We can only hope that they will not be worshiped for much longer.

Lonnyswife said...

Steph-WOW girlfriend. How the heck did you find that archive page?? Interesting stuff. That darn van was sure on the PRAYER LIST for a long time!!! So telling that they would include it on the list along with 'good health'. Don't have time (or inclination) to go thru the entire thing now but will be interesting reading later today maybe..

FIONA said...

I wish that we could find out more about Kate's childhood b/c let's face it - this isn't all Kate's fault, i.e. that she ended up being such a mess. Something must have been seriously wrong in her household when she was growing up.

8/27/2008 9:03 PM

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You may be right, but that is NO excuse. She has the abilty and know how to get 8 kids in this world. She has the abilty and know how to get medical help for herself. Weather she was beaten, molested, or ignored....she is an adult, a mother and she has to take care of herself. If she is unable then it is her husband's duty to enlist help for her. Her past is not an excuse for her present behvior. It may be the reason, but still not justifible.

Anonymous said...

Steph said.....
For proof of their early begging, go here:
http://www.archive.org
/web/web.php

and put sixgosselins.com for the site. Read away!


That was some interesting reading. They even got a trip to Destin from Pfiszer. I found it interesting they were given those 2strollers in 2004 (see their praise list) and then in 2007 they said they were selling them for half the price they paid for them. They sure receieved a lot of stuff.

Anonymous said...

My husband watched the show for the first time with me yesterday; he watched the Beach and 4th of July episodes. Now, he had never seen the show, this website or anything else about them. I didn't talk about them to him either. Here's his comments from someone seeing them ONCE for the firsts time:

"She (Kate) can't just relax and have fun, can she? She's got to just supervise and boss everyone around all the time!"

"Play with your children, woman and stop being Office Klink!"

"Wow. Just. Wow."

"Wait. They call themselves Christians? You know, anyone watching this show would think 'why would I want to be a Christian' or think that if that's how Christians act...then the whole 'put others before yourself' thing is a lie."

"Now that's just sad." (In regards to Joel not being allowed to help with the cake or help Jon grill).

"Those kids are going to be messed up."

FIONA said...

Nnurses don't really make enough to support a family of 8, JOn can't really keep a job.. and at least one parent should be home, imo.

8/27/2008 10:34 PM

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Kate and Jon can both work FT, just like the rest of us who want the best for our families. And, yes, Kate, if she chose could easily pull in 60 to 75k a year as a nurse. It's called night shifts, PRN work etc....And if Jon kept a job any job, this family would be like the majority of families in the US today...struggling paycheck to paycheck. There is no doubt in my mind that Jon and Kate Gosselin are able to support their kids. And if they cannot, then that is a whole different issue that links infertily treatment and people not being able to afford what may occur.

When this ends for them, and the kids are spoiled and can't wear the nice clothes and go on the trips, it is the parents they can blame for raising them without values, just things. Kate and Jon will also be in for a huge change. Most people's lifes get easy as you go on....that may not be the case with this family-depending on how well they are managing their money.

FIONA said...

If they have indeed amassed approximately $2 million dollars, and if indeed they never have to pay for house expenses or medical expenses in the future, then I have no worries--

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Two million dollars is a drop in the bucket in today's economy.

Kristee said...

Thanks for sharing the web archive link..very interesting reading. I thought this link (below) was very telling, posted on th Go$$elin's old website in January 06. Apparently there was a person "claming" to be Kate saying some untrue things...the same excuse that is one their NEW website now almost 2 years later.

I remembered the email BK got a week or so ago with the veiled threats in it, and it's very similar to what is posted on their website to the imposter, by Jon the Protector! Check it out if ya have time.


http://web.archive.org/web/20060104094813/http://www.sixgosselins.com/

Annie said...

Ummmm....if your goal was really to spend more time with your kids...then just don't accept ANY speaking engagements. Duh.

If you say you want to spend more time with your kids, UNLESS we are paid $25,000 and other perks to leave them....then me thinks you have put a price on your kids' heads. And the kids have become your money makers while they (the kids) get nothing out of it themselves. Hmmm...making money off a human for your own benefit...

Note to Jon and Kate: Abraham Lincoln called; he said slavery's dead.

Anonymous said...

Gee I wonder if everything listed on their "Praise List" was mentioned at all their previous speaking engagements? Doesn't sound like a family that's all that destitute to me? They've received ALOT of free stuff over the past 4 years. Amazing.

Anonymous said...

For proof of their early begging, go here:
http://www.archive.org
/web/web.php

and put sixgosselins.com for the site. Read away!


After reading the information provided in the link above, I'm speechless. Just further proof of the greed of this family.

Why not use the 2 cribs they probably already had from Mady and Cara and look for 4 more? How about buying everything you possibly could yourself and maybe look for donations for the rest? No, they wanted it all handed to them. I can't believe they asked for Desitin!!!! They couldn't buy 6 tubes of Desitin themselves? Then to not give back? I'm just appalled.

Anonymous said...

I'm reposting Stephs link here:

For proof of their early begging, go here:
http://www.archive.org
/web/web.php

and put sixgosselins.com for the site.

I clicked on a few of the dates and found this from January 4, 2006. While I didn't click on every date, each date I did click on had at least a few sentences, if not entire paragraphs stressing how financially strapped they were and a few sentences of paragraphs describing what was "needed." In this case it was the house.

Update

Just the ten of us... and wow is life busy, wild and crazy! I continue to try to keep life organized while thinking for ten! Jon struggles to keep his eyes open after his LONG days at work! Cara and Madelyn, our big 5 year old helpers are winning the hearts of all of their "kids" as the call them. They are my right and left arms during the day! And, yes, the babies... who are now "little people" more than babies! They, of course, are running, climbing, breaking things and doing everything imaginable. They are starting to show concern and care for each other which is so neat to watch! They say several words and of course the girls talk alot more than the boys - - even some two word phrases! the favorite is "NONONONONO" when a brother or sister has gotten out of line!

And as for our little house... I feel sorry for it! It has every nook and cranny crammed with something or someone! Needless to say, we're literally bursting at the seems! Our biggest prayer request at this time, is a house that we fit into and can afford... it's going to literally take a miracle...and for now, we'll keep praying!

Other than that, we're all well! Your continued prayers are much appreciated as we need patience with each other and the strength to get through each and every day! Thanks to all who continue to remember us!

Please have a love-filled Holiday as I know we will!

-Kate Gosselin-

strannika said...

Great link Kristee! I find it strange that the Gosselins were "praying" for a "miracle" to happen so that they'd have a house they could fit into and afford. Seems odd to me because that doesn't so much require a miracle as a lot of hard work!

Anonymous said...

Anon 8/28/2008 9:41 AM "That was some interesting reading. They even got a trip to Destin from Pfiszer."

I believe that is Desitin, as in diaper rash cream.

Martina said...

***Note to Jon and Kate: Abraham Lincoln called; he said slavery's dead.***

Comment of the week please!!

Praying for Snow said...

If Kate was abused by her parents, why do her other 4 siblings still talk to them and not Kate? We saw that Kevin was a decent person, and he's gone now too. I think she's just sick and depressed, and I would be mentally unstable too if I knew that all of America was judging me and seeing me as a momster.But that's what happens when you wan fame- you get the good, the bad, and the ugly.

I don't think KON intentionally tried to have HOM, but I think once they found out they were coming, well Lordy Be! I had a friend who was pregnant with trips without fertility drugs (unfortunately she miscarried at 10 weeks), and my firs thought was "Wow, I'll bet they make the newspaper!" lol. I'm sure KON started out that innocently and then it snowballed, greed took over, and their kids became an afterthought.

I do think Jon is the one who would stop this. I see him as mentally stable, and not lazy at all. I think he likes the good life all this $$ is providing, but he seems like a man who got caught up in the scheme of a pretty girl and is now stuck. And he feels as if he can't speak his mind because KATE has made him feel that way. If the letters to Jodi and BK were indeed from Jon, then who knows...maybe he is just a jerk too. But I still think he has a conscience that Kate does not, and he could stop this dog and pony show before the damage becomes irreperable.

I thought about going to Elizabethtown, KY to see them speak, but I KNEW it would get canceled. They're too big for the church scene now. Ironic.

leslie110 said...

I don't see a problem with a few speaking engagements. What is the difference if they are away from the kids while they work 8 hours a day or away at a speaking engagement?

I do have a problem with churches paying $25,000 to speakers, I don't care who they are. There are much better ways to spend money.

Anonymous said...

Some of the quotes on this web-site are pretty funny:

http://www.metafilter.com/72324/Jon-amp-Kate-Plus-8-raising-twins-and-sextuplets-on-reality-TV

My favorite:

From the Wikipedia article:

According to Kate, "I began to feel like we could do this! With God's help, of course!"

If God had wanted you to bear 6 children at once, He wouldn't have made you infertile.

Anonymous said...

Check out this posting from Kate on the above referenced http://web.archive.org/web/20051215052928/http://www.sixgosselins.com/

"And as for our little house... I feel sorry for it! It has every nook and cranny crammed with something or someone! Needless to say, we're literally bursting at the seems! Our biggest prayer request at this time, is a house that we fit into and can afford... it's going to literally take a miracle...and for now, we'll keep praying!" - Kate Gosselin December 13, 2005

Boy even back then they were scamming for a new house. Of course we all know they got it. And how they're request for a new house, present day. All 8000 sq.ft. of it. I see some prayer requests never change when you're Kate & Jon Gosselin...

Anonymous said...

First, there isn't a church in the country who is going to pay $25K to hear Jon and Kate. What Jon and Kate are doing by upping their speaking fee is going into the secular world and away from the christian world. they are reality tv stars now (versus struggling christians) and reality tv stars get paid bundles for appearances as our country is obsessed with celebrities. Even Omarosa who is hated, gets 10,000 for an appearance at a nightclub or a party. there are all kinds of events going on in the country (fairs, festivals, craft events, art shows, etc.) that look for celebrities to attract attention. I imagine these are the only kind of venues (not church) that will be able to afford Jon and Kate, although I will see it when I believe it. I can't believe any organization would pay that kind of money to Jon and Kate. So to be honest, I don't believe that they can get it. I believe that Jon and Kate are cancelling their church appearances so that they can get involved in more paid appearances, but I don't believe they will be paid $25K. I think $10K is more realistic, but I WOULD Love to be proven wrong.

The county is which Jon and Kate live should indeed investigate them for welfare fraud. If they lied that they had inherited a large sum of money, they probably would have never qualified for welfare. My thoughts are, though, that it may have taken a while for them to actually get an inheritence from JOn's father's estate, as usually after a person dies, it takes 1-2 years to actually distribute monies. So probably the first couple ofyears of the sextuplet's lifes, the gosselines did not have this huge amount of inheritence. More than likely, Kate and Jon are going to have to pay back the welfare system though if they lied once the money came in.

whoever said $2 million isn't a lot of money in this economy, yes perhaps, but if a family is frugal, it should certainly be enough of a cushion to get them a house and pay for meals (not expensive foods)... also as for college, let the kids get on the state systems like everyone else.. or let the kids borrow money like everyone else.

Kristen said...

"I wonder what made God change His mind and tell them that their special brand of Christian inspiration should be offered only to groups who can afford it?"

It must be that 11th commandment that only applies to them - "J+K, Thou shalt only speak at church's that can afford you and give you love offerings."

I lost a lot of respect for them when they started dropping churches because they didn't have $25k to use for their travels..sick!

Anonymous said...

Looking at the archive websites... anyone else notice that as soon as they got their first TV special their prayer list was gone? In it's place was the announcement (continuously) of all the airing dates and times.

luvmytwins said...

I am not sure they had reliable babysitters in July. Jodi was out in May sometime, and Jenny was still a very new sitter at that point. It is more likely that they didn't have anyone to watch the kids overnight.

Not that they were going to admit that. Didn't Kate appear via satellite or something?

Also, maybe I missed it, but what made you believe Jon was a phony?

I was told (by someone from the Organization) that Kate had been going back and forth w/ the organization trying to get some extras. K was excited to come to Boston and make a vacation out of it. She was told "NO" to the extras, has the bulk of the budget had been chewed up by the Gosselins fee. Kate was, from what I was told, not very happy about this. She later said she had 'scheduling' problems and couldn't make it. Then Jon said the show wanted her in New York or something of that nature. Then someone just posted that all this was due to their new agent and MOTA had to beg just for Jon to show. So, clearly there are many inconsistencies with these stories.

Several things set off my BS detector:
1. The story I was told by the Mass. MOTA member who had been told this by the person directly dealing with Kate.
2. Jon stating that they want to adopt. Just hit me the wrong way, like 'got to keep the show interesting' or something.
3. Jon making it such a point that they paid for the van. Yeah, you should have! It for your family ding dong! You want a friggin medal?
4. Jon stating that Kate wants to write a Cookbook. To quote Jon "I told her I don't know why you can't just post recipes on the website.."
DUH!!! $$$$$$$$ fool!
5. After plugging their book and making it a point to remind us that they "ARE the number one rated show on TLC" he had the balls to request $20 for autographed photos for the kids 'college funds'. AND after saying his wife had something in the works w/ Procter and Gamble, too. HELL-OO (to quote his wife)you need MY $20?? Give me a break.

So, Steph, that's why I thought something phony was going on.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's because I'm a lawyer and programmed to think this way, but I wonder if any of the churches have breach of contract or other legal claims against Kon for canceling. Churches probably wouldn't do that, but it'd be nice to have someone call them on the way they have handled this.

Anonymous said...

Not sure where to post this, but someone mentioned that they have less "favorite businesses" on there website. I didn't see EMTanner on there. Interesting.

Lonnyswife said...

What a laught the 'archive' website has been.
One thing I noticed off the bat:
If you want(ed) the to come speak about how they manage everything (God is mentioned)you are to contact them using an email
sixymomma@..........
Okay, am I just nuts or is sixy a play on sexy?? I am ex sales and marketing and that email address is just plain stupid in regards to it being a contact email for speaking engagements which in this case churches and religious organizations are obviously the target market.
Lots of people here have wondered just what must have happened to Kate for her to turn out the way she did. There are definite control issues, anger issues AND IMHO low self-esteem issues. I think in regards to the self-esteem, this is why she insists on correcting (or hitting) Jon at every opportunity, so she can look superior, at least in her own mind. She WANTS people to be envious of her with the organic, and the matchy-matchy and big house and the trips and the vow renewal and the 'we don't have to work, neener-neener-neener' thing. I don't doubt she loves those kids but she could care less about anything having to do with long term. In her mind it's all mememe nownownow.
And I have a question about the vow renewal.
Do you think it's possible we might be seeing an episode of BRIDEZILLA out of Figure8's cutting room floor stuff??

Anonymous said...

Luv my twins... that was a prerecorded message from Kate. Did you like the way she didn't even smile? Everything you heard about how disagreeable they are -- true.

Anonymous said...

Just the ten of us... and wow is life busy, wild and crazy! I continue to try to keep life organized while thinking for ten! Jon struggles to keep his eyes open after his LONG days at work! Cara and Madelyn, our big 5 year old helpers are winning the hearts of all of their "kids" as the call them. They are my right and left arms during the day! And, yes, the babies... who are now "little people" more than babies! They, of course, are running, climbing, breaking things and doing everything imaginable. They are starting to show concern and care for each other which is so neat to watch! They say several words and of course the girls talk alot more than the boys - - even some two word phrases! the favorite is "NONONONONO" when a brother or sister has gotten out of line!

And as for our little house... I feel sorry for it! It has every nook and cranny crammed with something or someone! Needless to say, we're literally bursting at the seems! Our biggest prayer request at this time, is a house that we fit into and can afford... it's going to literally take a miracle...and for now, we'll keep praying!

Other than that, we're all well! Your continued prayers are much appreciated as we need patience with each other and the strength to get through each and every day! Thanks to all who continue to remember us!

Please have a love-filled Holiday as I know we will!

-Kate Gosselin-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And the sad thing is, and it makes me kind of go hmmmmmm, when I was looking their praise list. They had on there for a few months a praise thanking Calvrey Church for renovating their home and also for the continued prayers from them then all of a sudden that church is off their list. I'm assuming when they got their new current house they booted that off the list?

anna said...

I highly doubt that she was abused by her parents. Like someone else said, her brothers and sisters would be messed up, too. Something tells me that there's either something mentally wrong with her, or she was abused by someone in her highschool/college years. This could honestly be something that she has never told anyone about, even Jon. It could be that someone verbally abused her, emotionally abused her, or even physically. She seems to be needing the approval of everyone BUT her family. She wants everyone in the world to see how she's done and how much money she makes. Maybe her family was poor when she was little and she got made fun of? And now she's just trying to prove to hundreds of people that she's better than they are. And she'll step on anyone who gets in her way and take advantage of anyone she pleases, IMHO.

booboo19 said...

Check this out...it is on the Jan 31, 2007 blog by KON, even when they are mourning his poor father's passing, they are also crying "horrible financial hardships". These people are ruthless....

IN LOVING MEMORY

OF

DR. THOMAS J. GOSSELIN

January 20, 2005

My father passed away on January 13, 2005 at 7:41pm. We love him very much and we pray that Jesus will take care of him. Kate and I pray for a strong marriage that through all this stress our relationship stays intact. We pray that others may see how difficult our lives are right now and that we are trully thankful for everything our church has done for us. We pray that Mady and Cara continue to be strong and loving through this time of need and stress. We ask the Lord that we have faith in him and we rely on him to provide for us spiritually and financially.





We ask others to please pray for us as we go through terrible financial and family hardships. It is hard to let people into our personal lives but we are praying that people could walk in our shoes for one day and understand that God has given us these children and we are responsible to raise them the best we can. Please pray that Kate and I can do this with help of all our awesome volunteers that God has provided us. Amen.

Jonathan and Kate Gosselin

Lonnyswife said...

And I see mentioned again this Procter & Gamble gig.
Similar to the GH email/letter writing campaign perhaps as soon as we have more details, like what product/s,etc we should enlighten P&G as to why this was a bad choic in spokespeople if the point is to SELL your product.
Agreed?

THS said...

Jon & Kate are the BIGGEST "Christian" scamers I'ver ever seen! Yeah they are a real "Christian Inspiration". I feel so sorry for the kids. I have wondered if maybe one of Kates parents treated her and her siblings this way? She had to learn it somewhere or she could be just that self absorbed, which is highly possible. But for someone to truly believe she doesn't need her extended family around just amazes me. I couldn't imagine not talking to my family and always having some sort of family fued going on. I pray to God those children will somehow make it through this without sever emotional damage.

TSH said...

Jon & Kate also need to learn there are other ways (believe it or not) to support your family and NOT exploit your children. Here's an example... Monday thru Friday 9 to 5...its called a job! Now was that so hard to figure out?!?!?!

Anonymous said...

Kate writing a cook book? If she has a personal chef, what is she actually cooking? Over the course of many episodes of J & K + 8 viewers have seen her prepare maybe 5-10 meals if that and IMO there was nothing more to the meal preparation than the typical throw it in a crock pot meal. Sara Snow had to show Kate how to do a simple veggie stir fry. The so called Monkey Munch has been around for 20+ years, the Cool Whip Flag Cake recipe probably longer than that. I cant imagine there are thousands of viewer moms and dads out there that are so inspired and intrigued by Kate's cooking that would warrant the need for her to publish a cook book. In cooking rut, there is an endless variety of cook books available at any book store or library or tune in to the foodnetwork channel. Swap recipes with a neighbor. Start a recipe swap club. Support your local community and schools and organizations if/when they sell a cookbook. As for Kate writing a cook book, IMO this time the 'ghost writer' more than likely can be found in the form of a recipe on the backside of any box or can in your home pantry!!!

balletbrat said...

LOL did anyone else see the commercial for the J$K marathon during the breakfast in bed episode this week? "See America's favorite family CIRCUS!! They sing! They have tremendous tiny talents! It's 8 rings of fun! *cue Hannie- Enjoy yoooouself* The J$K marathon performs tonight..."

Anonymous said...

"What Jon and Kate are doing by upping their speaking fee is going into the secular world and away from the christian world. they are reality tv stars now (versus struggling christians) and reality tv stars get paid bundles for appearances as our country is obsessed with celebrities."

And this may very well be their ultimate down fall. As they stray from their Christian audience and venture in to the secular world they will in turn be subjecting themselves to the more critical masses. What will they speak about to this more secular audience? What would they have to say that is even relatable or comparable to the experiences of their audience. The same story they have been telling that is over four years old and proven to be less than convincing? How they have managed to have 8 children and go from in four years time, 'searching the couch' for loose change to make the mortgage payment to searching for multi million dollar properties? How to create a healthy balance between 'work' and family life? How to put a reality tv contract before that of family and friends? Their speaking engagements must include a comedy stand up act because IMO J & K are nothing but a JOKE.

Carla said...

Why not use the 2 cribs they probably already had from Mady and Cara and look for 4 more?

The cribs wouldn't match. How ridiculous would it look to have 6 babies the same age in different cribs??

Silly goose. :-P

Anonymous said...

Why not use the 2 cribs they probably already had from Mady and Cara and look for 4 more?

Maybe they sold them or gave them away.

Serena said...

I see the point that cancelling isn't very nice but, really it can't be both ways. If I was able to make $25,000 for telling my life story I'd prefer to make that than zero.

The point isn't what they're charging (there will always be idiots willing to throw their money away); the point is that Jon and Kate are backing out of promises they made.

In some cases, they are just flat out canceling with a bogus excuse; in other cases they are changing the conditions such that the venues have no choice but to cancel them.

mom22 said...

i was on the fence but now am a convert into their shenanigans. these 2 are something else. I agree and would really like to know more about the childhoods - i think Jon is just as goofy as Kate. If my 4 year did not love the kids so much I would never watch them. I would be embarrassed to have the world see me lose it on my kids over and over and over again. But I guess that's why figure 8 is not calling me plus I only have 2 the old fashioned way. I love the archive website what fun! These 2 have no shame. It will be interesting to read about the kids in a few years. And canceling on a church that's just not right. i don't think they have ever been in the Chicago area but if so I would like to see them in person.

Barbara in VA said...

I wrote to P&G and got a very nice, did not appear to be a form, letter back saying the usual -- they would pass along my comments to their marketing dept. They make tons of products and they know if they were boycotted by a good number of people it would not be good. But we'll have to see.

Christi said...

I can't imagine putting all eight in daycare, her income wouldn't even cover that. I also don't think daycare is the best option for children if one parent can be home.

I agree that six kids in all-day daycare would eat up a lot of Kate's income. But, if they wait about a year, the 'tups will be in kindergarten, and they'll only have to pay for after-school care (a nanny/babysitter/au pair would probably be cheaper). Until then (or even after) they could do offset schedules - Kate could make more $$ taking nursing shifts on nights and weekends, thus one parent would be at home all/most of the time.

I've got a sister-in-law and her husband doing this - both nurses, one works days, the other does nights/weekends and 3 12-hour days a week. Not fun, but it works. And honestly, Kate's potential nursing income is probably a lot higher than Jon's potential take from his closet whatever-he-does company. Nothing wrong, in that situation, with her working full time and him staying home, if they can manage to get by on one income.

Yes, they could manage to support 8 kids without TLC and all the freebies. Lots of people do it. But they'd both have to have JOBS (Jon's closet company would have to be bringing in $$), and it would be a major lifestyle change, at least for Kate - no free vacations, clothes, furniture, and they may have to downsize from their $2 million house (property taxes, you know). After the Gymboree clothes ran out, she'd have to start shopping at Target, yard sales, whatever. I can't imagine that the kids would really care (I never did) but Kate would probably have a big problem with it.

Christi said...

I see the point that cancelling isn't very nice but, really it can't be both ways. If I was able to make $25,000 for telling my life story I'd prefer to make that than zero.

They made a commitment to speak somewhere, and usually to a church, which makes it worse (just in my opinion). They weren't doing it for free, either - there were love offerings or a smaller flat fee, from what I've heard. Besides, what does it teach the kids to back out on a commitment (to a church!) when it's not an urgent situation? One cancellation I could maybe let slide, but a string of them? Not so much.

Anonymous said...

I remembered the email BK got a week or so ago with the veiled threats in it, and it's very similar to what is posted on their website to the imposter, by Jon the Protector! Check it out if ya have time.
----------------------------------

I've seen that email mentioned a couple of times and I've reread numerous posts (all the way back to the "Pillow Shams" topic by bk) but I can't find anything about that email. Which topic is it under?

Anonymous said...

From an archived site. See Kate's actual (old?) email listed below

Looking for a highly energetic speaker with a very intriguing family... and an amazing story?

Jon and Kate Gosselin were your average couple. After Kate gave birth to twins Cara & Mady, they wanted just one more baby....
and ended up with sextuplets!

You have to hear their whole story in person to believe all that has transpired in their family since the addition of the sextuplets.
Miracles upon miracles have unfolded before their very eyes...and there is only one way to explain it: God!

This couple has a very inspirational and uplifting message with plenty of real life humor that everyone can benefit from!

Appearances by the entire family or just Kate are available upon request.
For more information regarding booking and speaking fees contact:
Kate Gosselin by email: sixymomma@comcast.net

Sara said...

"Anonymous said...
Why not use the 2 cribs they probably already had from Mady and Cara and look for 4 more?

Maybe they sold them or gave them away."


That doesn't seem likely to me. Kate said that she started wanting another baby before the twins turned one, so I would assume that she would have kept at least one of the cribs. I kept my oldest daughter's crib and baby clothes for three years, in case I had another girl (which I did). As a matter of fact, the Gosselin twins were 2 1/2 when Kate got pregnant with the tups, so if they were anything like my girls, they would have just been switching over to beds. So of course they probably still had them.

My big thing is- yeah, you're having six babies and you want help, but you were already expecting to have one, two or three (she said they agreed going back they had to be willing to accept twins or triplets). So why do they want six matching everything? Why not ask for 3 or 4 carseats instead of 6, since you were already prepared to buy a few to begin with?

Anonymous said...

sixymomma....but she's really an eightymomma.
Why is their email address now for comments, sixgosselins?
How could you leave out your other kids?

dotsicle said...

"Their speaking engagements must include a comedy stand up act because IMO J & K are nothing but a JOKE."
Posted by Anonymous

I nominate this one for Comment of the Week!

Anonymous said...

I nthe archive there are articles in the press about them. This one was interesting. They were pimping for college funds from the very first day. Nice!

http://web.archive.org/web/20061017072624/www.sixgosselins.com/News/news1084792054


"(Cara) was jumping up and down and screaming," said the father of eight, who called his daughters about 10 a.m. to tell them about their much-anticipated brothers and sisters.

Kate Gosselin also got a visit from Penn State football coach Joe Paterno, who was at Hershey for a media event.

"She met with Joe Paterno today, so she was uplifted by that," Jonathan Gosselin said. He later joked that Paterno was the way they would fund college for eight children.

Doctors are cautiously optimistic that the six newborns, born just shy of 30 weeks of gestation, will develop into healthy infants.

"We're professional worriers, but at this point in time, they really are off to a good start," said Dennis J. Mujsce, medical director for the neonatal intensive care unit at Penn State Children's Hospital.

The Gosselins will not get to experience parenthood times eight just yet, as the projected release from the hospital for the sextuplets is about six weeks from now. Members of their church, Calvary Bible Fellowship in Sinking Spring, are building an addition to their Wyomissing home, and several corporations have made donations, including $5,000 in gift cards from Giant Food Stores.

Though Jonathan Gosselin said six more children were never part of the couple's plan (they took fertility drugs to conceive), Kate's mother, Charlene Kreider, said her daughter always wanted to be a mother. Kate Gosselin always wanted twins, Kreider said, and her love for children influenced her choice to pursue a career as a labor and delivery nurse.

"She got her twins and went beyond that," Kreider said.

sistah2 said...

I believe BK's post about her threatening email is under the blog entry 'beach trip'.

ThreeFarmers said...

Her PR company is not just to make her more money it also strives to make her more appealing.


Make Kate more appealing? I don't think an entire Army of Avon Ladies could accomplish that.

ThreeFarmers said...

Since Jon & Kate have now expanded their empire to include not only their self-appointed charity but television, publishing, lecturing, and music, they should go into the only business meant for such an EXHAUSTED woman... a muffler shop!

Kristee said...

~~~~Why not use the 2 cribs they probably already had from Mady and Cara and look for 4 more?~~~~

I thought the same thing a long time ago. When I was reading the archives this morning I read that they were given 6 matching cribs that all turn into BEDS when they are done. My kids had this kind of crib, then it's a toddler bed, then it's a headboard for a full size bed. WHY then did Kate go shopping for bunk beds last season?? She could have bought mattress sets and they would have saved lot's of money.

She gets on my every last nerve. She's lucky enough to have those beautiful cribs, for free and then she sells them at a yard sale. What a bitch.

stick a fork in them they are done said...

Anonymous 4:21 said...
sixymomma....but she's really an eightymomma.
Why is their email address now for comments, sixgosselins?
How could you leave out your other kids?


Yes! And their website is sixgosselins.com. Cara and Mady who?

Anonymous said...

I personally think one of the reasons for cancelling the above church gigs is because they don't have "people who love them" anymore in their lives. Aunt Jodi and Beth are gone. Honestly who else do you ask to watch your kids over a weekend then somebody you trust and love? Even if they hired help, ala Jenny, then there goes the whole trust issue and the fear by Jon & Kate that the new hired help could leak out info or goings on about the family or contact the National Enquirer. Yes I'm sure they're required to sign a confidentiality agreement, but still, info can and will get leaked out in a situation like this. I bet this is a big problem for them and they decided to cancel these engagements as this being one of the reasons.

Anonymous said...

"Her PR company is not just to make her more money it also strives to make her more appealing."

But what Kate is so obviously lacking in her appeal cannot be bought or manufactured it is an appeal that comes naturally and from the heart!

Pastorsgurl said...

Where are the other helpers. I know why Aunt Jodi isn't there, and she's been working on her appearance, but did she also have a "Beth Reduction"?

BEE said...

I am glad that they have cancelled a lot of their speaking engagments and that they are charging more for their time and story. They were charging a mere $3,000 + all expenses paid for a speaking engagement back in february and personally I didn't think that was worth being a way from you children for 24-48 hours, traveling, speaking, question and answers, arranging childcare etc.


Also, is there any proof that they now make $25,000 for a speaking engagement? I find this to be really high.

They do give a great talk and are very friendly, witty and inspirational...but I can't imagine they would pull in $25,000!

Anonymous said...

sistah2 said...
I believe BK's post about her threatening email is under the blog entry 'beach trip'.

**************

I just looked through the comments on Beach Trip and didn't see it?

sistah2 said...

sorry - its actually under episode recap : "Heading South'.

sistah2 said...

bee said: "also, is there any proof that they now make $25,000 for a speaking engagement? I find this to be really high."

if you look under blog entry "leaving the churches high and dry" - as referenced above - you will see the "proof". One organization was canceled and revealed that they were told by KON's PR firm that $25 k is now their rate.

BEE said...

For proof of their early begging, go here:
http://www.archive.org
/web/web.php

and put sixgosselins.com for the site. Read away!


Just read through most of the pages and actually I thought they were rather sincere. They seemed to be very grateful and gave thanks to volunteers, companies etc. Their website gave a lot of details and I really enjoyed reading their prayer and praise sections.

Also, reading through these pages and looking at some of the pictures left me with two thoughts:

1. I was relieved to see that some of the places/outings they have taken are in fact "reality" for them....they had been there in previous years and so not just a made up outing from Figure 8/TLC. Such as the organic farm, chocolate world, the dutch amusement park, pumpkin patch etc.

2. We really do only see a very small portion of their lives. There is obviously so much that we are unaware of, people in their lives that are never mentioned on the show, places they go that are not on the show, how they spend the holidays, suprise pizza parties for the twins etc.

Thanks to the poster that gave the web address of the archived material!

Anonymous said...

I am sort of sickened that I have been sucked into this, but it's all so compelling, because of the darling children involved. I don't know these people aside from watching the show, but I imagine that they are extremely loving parents who want every opportunity for their children and they have gotten caught up in a machine of greed. I disagree with other posters that Kate is a bad mom because they have structure; sure, she is not laid back and they don't seem to do spontaneous things, but I don't think viewers see EVERY single moment of their lives. Also, these trips for TV purposes are not harming the kids. I am sure the kids have a blast and learn a lot. It would be hard as a parent to say no to any opportunity offered to your kids, especially when you thought perhaps they would be denied many things due to their birth situation.Also, I don't blame them for things like the tummy tuck and other personal treats. They deserve it all, and who woudn't take it? True, it's crazy they can't get dirty or draw with markers or eat candy (their KIDS!!!), but she is not the first neurotic parent.

Having said all that, these two better know when to draw the line. The show has to end eventually; if not already, the TV and exposure could certainly be very harmful to the children. Kate says the cameras are all they know, but they should also know a normal life or they will never be able to function in the real world. I would just be way too protective of my family, even if the show was affording us many opportunities, I would CUT IT OFF.

This is where my disagreement with what seems to be their FAITH comes in. If they believed so strongly that it all could be given up to God's hands, then why don't they trust in themselves to provide for themselves and their kids? I have a hard time with the fact that she seems to have a GOD complex about what she did....God did not choose you to have 6 babies at once. You used man made medicines....SCIENCE! to conceive those miracles, so really, it's the power of MAN, not GOD, that created these babies, and it's also the POWER OF MAN that is currently sustainly their lifestyle...donations, ect, and I don't have a problem with them taking it because people have made the choice to give. But again, they seem to have such a belief in GOD, but I have read posts with horrible language from Jon and also seen things that seem to be quite contrary to the Christain beliefs, whatever theirs might be.

Many, many people have led happy, healthy, abundant lives with large families, with, shocking, MORE CHILDREN THAN EIGHT...sure, she had 6 at a time, which had to have been completely crazy....I have two children and worry about given each enough attention, so I fully understand her concerns about needing help when they were babies. BUT, how does she possibly look any other mother of multiples in the EYES? What about a mother who had quads and had three children already? So seven kids does not get you endorsements and a TV show? I just don't get how they can live knowing what they get....and it's obvious many people have had enough.

There are many ways Jon and Kate could make a happy life for themselves and their kids...even a HEALTHY one, without the TV show. Like I said, families are doing it RIGHT now, with their OWN FREE WILL and strength, not instead a belief in "GOD" while taking everything MAN has to offer. I have no problem with greed itself...I would love to go to Hawaii and renew my vows, and if offered a free trip, I'd take it, but I also am not professing to be a Christian who believes so strongly that God has saved them and also speaking at churches and taking money for it. They should speak at churches for FREE and give back all the free loot they get when they are done using it. This would be the Christian thing to do.

Those kids are damn cute, and I like certain things about the parents, but again, it's the God thing and the hypocrisy in the face of other large families that bothers me.

Anonymous said...

Bee, do you watch the show? Do you think Kate is witty on the show? I'm just curious because it seems like she must have a Sybil-like personality disorder to be that much different in person than she is on film. I think they were much more grateful for things in the beginning, at least on the first special. Then, from the second one on (tummy tuck), it has been a progressively mounting pile of bullsh*t. You almost have to put on waders to watch on Monday nights.

P.S. I do not think 3-4 days a week filming around the clock yields a very small portion of their lives.

bk said...

I realize that this will be a blank concept to Kate and Jon, but I've had to step away from the net for a week or two. I picked up extra work so we didn't use the credit card for back to school clothes and needs. Don't get me wrong- if I had the choice to sit in a closet and rant at people who found me repellant, then I might choose the closet. But, que' sera...

I remember their old website (the one that people are reading). I'm so glad that it's been brought into the open. That way the world could see that, in their immense grief and new inheritance, they still had time to beg for a new house and van. Maybe they were so grieved that they forgot their inheritance? That must be it. *rolls eyes* How tacky is it to post a memorial to your father and say, in the text of the memorial, "we pray for god to provide for us spiritually and financially." Is nothing sacred?

I just want to reiterate something I brought up before...
Kate and Jon turned down four gently used cribs before they asked for new ones. Many of us were thrown when that request was shared because we knew that they'd been offered cribs. Shortly after that, we saw that the wording changed to "new cribs" and Kate was telling people that this was a requirement because of the germs. As if Lysol and months of non-use wouldn't make them just as useful as a new crib out of a box from China.

It's also amazing to see their "thank you" for the volunteers that helped them early on. To hear them now, you'd think they'd been handling this solo since day one. What a joke.

beachluvin said...

stick a fork in them they are done said:
Anonymous 4:21 said...
sixymomma....but she's really an eightymomma.
Why is their email address now for comments, sixgosselins?
How could you leave out your other kids?


"Yes! And their website is sixgosselins.com. Cara and Mady who?"

But, the sixgosselins do include Cara and Mady. They exclude Joel and Collin or Joel and Aaden, depending on who is in Kate's way that week.

BEE said...

A common complaint about the Gosselins is that they have been choosey about items they have accepted or that they are beggars.

For those of us that have children and had baby showers...aren't we guilty of the same thing that we accuse the Gosselins of doing?

As new mothers most of us spent a lot of time looking over the baby products, picking out the perfect items and then adding it to a baby registry. A registry that askes the invitees to our baby shower exactly what to buy, how much to spend etc. Granted a lot of people don't buy from registries but the principle is the same.

We are specific in our wants and we don't have a problem displaying our needs. Seems to be how the Gosselins have handled themselves as well.

Anonymous said...

All the talk of putting the kids in daycare and how they can't afford it. They should do what other mothers of several children do and what they've already done even Kate and Jon are both home - hire a nanny. Or get over themselves and make up with their families again.

hellokitty said...

"For those of us that have children and had baby showers...aren't we guilty of the same thing that we accuse the Gosselins of doing?"

However, people don't usually ask for a new home or a 15 passenger van (when there is only 10 people total).

Serena said...

For those of us that have children and had baby showers...aren't we guilty of the same thing that we accuse the Gosselins of doing?

Not at all. Having a wish list that you provide to your relatives and close friends is not comparable at all to a list published as a public appeal for charity from complete strangers.

Kristee (again : ) said...

Bee said~~~

For those of us that have children and had baby showers...aren't we guilty of the same thing that we accuse the Gosselins of doing?

From my own experience I disagree. The Gosselins, according to their own words were experiencing "extreme financial and emotional hardships." I take that as "We are screwed!" " We are about to be parents to 6 newborns all at once and can not afford to outfit an adequate nursery."

When we had our first baby we were in a similar situation, completely surprised we were pregnant and not financially secure. We were only having 1 baby, I know. I was lucky that friends and family gathered what they could from their own kids and helped us out a lot. Who cares if everything doesn't match. It was given to us by people who loved us, and it was such a big help!

Our son is now almost 20, and I'll never forget how everyone rallied around us when he was born. He doesn't remember his nursery with 3 differing themes, or the used highchair and clothes. He does however remember all the people who have been there for him while he was growing up. None of his aunts have been kicked out of his life, family friends are the same ones who babysat for him way back when and gave him a dollar when his first tooth fell out. Imo, the little Gosselins aren't gonna have those same memories if Kate doesn't end her selfish behavior.


I can't imagine being picky and snotty while I'm asking for help, and I really can't imagine what it must feel like to those who tried to help them but were told it wasn't good enough.

ThreeFarmers said...

For those of us that have children and had baby showers...aren't we guilty of the same thing that we accuse the Gosselins of doing?"

The comparison between someone who has a baby shower and someone who has lived the better part of the last 4 years taking charity from well-meaning people when they have plenty of money in the bank is shameful. There is no comparison. The Gosselins continue to LIE in order to evoke pity in the hearts of strangers so that they can continue to grow their assets. They sacrifice their children's privacy and emotional well-being so that they can live an affluent lifestyle without having to work.

The next time I attend a 4-year extended baby shower that nets in the millions of dollars, I'll let you know.

BK said...

A common complaint about the Gosselins is that they have been choosey about items they have accepted or that they are beggars.

For those of us that have children and had baby showers...aren't we guilty of the same thing that we accuse the Gosselins of doing?

No. It's apples and oranges. I don't know about you, but the baby shower I had was put on by close friends and attended by close friends and family. I didn't claim poverty during my pregnancy and expect "society to be responsible" because society thinks babies are cute. I registered for the things I needed and if I felt so strongly about that item being specific, then we bought it ourselves. Most of us have had no problem accepting hand-me-downs. And, if you have six kids and are BROKE (or claim to be), then the phrase "beggers can't be choosers" sticks out in my mind. Furthermore, this wasn't Kate and Jon's first pregnancy. They had a shower for Cara and Maddy. Where was all that equipment? If they'd planned to adopt or have "just one more", then why are they asking for "two new swings" or "six matching cribs"? I think the point you're missing is that you can't say society is responsible for your children and then shun everything but the best. Children (especially children who aren't the first family birth) have been raised without 'new' things for eons. Why would six infants have to have matching, new outfits? If you are desperate, you take what is offered. Of course, we now know that they weren't all that desperate. They were (and ARE) williing to allow people less fortunate than themselves give money to them under the guise of true need. They've allowed people to buy them new things when they had the money to buy them all along. A baby shower that lasts four years isn't a baby shower - it's a scam.

mlou said...

RE:As new mothers most of us spent a lot of time looking over the baby products, picking out the perfect items and then adding it to a baby registry. A registry that askes the invitees to our baby shower exactly what to buy, how much to spend etc. Granted a lot of people don't buy from registries but the principle is the same.

When someone has a registry it is usually for family and friends not a whole community or state. And yes in baby showers you do have the chance of getting 3 diaper genies or whatever. But honestly, how many of us would actually say "This isn't good enough, or it doesn't match." I would think of all people, Kate having 8 children would want to hang on to anything given to her and be grateful!

kao said...

My daughter was 2 years old when my triplets were born (3 boys). One of the boys used her crib and the other 2 cribs were loaned to us by friends. Our original one was cherry colored wood, and the two loaned ones were white and light oak. No, they didn't match, but who cares?!?! Believe it or not, my babies slept in them just fine, even though they didn't match (can you imagine?) We were so grateful that people loaned us these things (our extra swing and excersaucer were also used and loaned to us and did not match the one from our daughter). My boys were also preemies (also born at 30 weeks, just like the tups). Yes, we washed the cribs down and sprayed the mattresses with Lysol and washed the crib sheets - voila, good as new!
I completely agree with the statement "beggars can't be choosey", hasn't Kate ever heard of that one before????

FIONA said...

They do give a great talk and are very friendly, witty and inspirational...but I can't imagine they would pull in $25,000!

8/28/2008 6:02 PM

BEE,

May I ask, how did they inspire you...just curious? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

stick a fork in them they are done said...
Anonymous 4:21 said...
sixymomma....but she's really an eightymomma.
Why is their email address now for comments, sixgosselins?
How could you leave out your other kids?

Yes! And their website is sixgosselins.com. Cara and Mady who?

***********************************
Anyone remember the framed photo of J&K got from Willow Street Pictures who always does their family photos? The photo was of J&K and the sextuplets in strollers in front of their old house. It also excluded Cara & Mady. What are these poor girls going to think once they get older and realize how much they have been left out of little things like the family photo, their family web site name, their mom's email address? I actually think they already realize it and it comes out in their attitudes at times.

themrs said...

i just have to comment on their ability to support their family. we have four children and live on a single income of a construction worker. we also manage to send our two oldest children to private christian school (which tuition is more monthly than our mortgage payment.) it's certainly not easy, but we felt it was important for me to be home. we live in an old house in an inexpensive neighborhood, which is only two bedrooms (we had to convert the dining room into a master bedroom!). we drive two old, payed off vehicles. the only time my children are in GAP clothing is if it's handed down from another family or at the consignment store. we live simply but we live without asking other for support. we chose to have four children, therefore we choose to be responsible for them. when we need a sitter, we hire one. which means about once a month we get a date. we don't have nice, expensive things, but our life is so rich. we are happy, healthy, and our kids know that life is about relationships and not things. it IS possible to raise a big family in these times, you just have to be frugal. my husband didn't even go to college, and he can support all six of us. so i have a hard time believing that two college educated adults cannot support their children. it's a choice. not to mention, the tups are four now. if push came to shove, there's no reason they can't be in all day preschool. it would probably be good for them. they'd probably find some school to let them in for free, just for the publicity!

Anonymous said...

I too have thought about the future of these children when this gravy train ends. It will undoubtedly be a difficult adjustment for them all. But NO child should have to live his or her life with cameras trained on them virtually 24/7, even in their most private moments.

I wish I could reassure all of us that when the show ends, this family will morph into the kind of home we'd wish for all children. But the truth is, with or without cameras, Kate Gosselin is a self-absorbed, troubled woman. She had issues prior to signing up for this show (witness the distancing from her family; her insistence on all new, all matching furniture, clothing, etc.; her demands for additional state aid, etc.). Jon Gosselin had troubled keeping a job before he had 8 children, and by his own admission, had little ambition or focus.

I don't know what will happen to this family when this circus-like atmosphere ends. But I do know that it's unfair and unethical to continue it. I can only hope that the rude awakening will force the Gosselin parents to get some of the real help they need - counselling about how to be good parents on a day-to-day, hands on basis.

Anonymous said...

Kate's mother, Charlene Kreider, said her daughter always wanted to be a mother. Kate Gosselin always wanted twins, Kreider said, and her love for children influenced her choice to pursue a career as a labor and delivery nurse.

"She got her twins and went beyond that," Kreider said.


The phrasing of that quote is the most telling of all.

Anonymous said...

What do you think would happen if we all (those who post and read GWOP) decided to not watch the new episode next week?

Serena said...

What do you think would happen if we all (those who post and read GWOP) decided to not watch the new episode next week?

Unless you are a Nielsen family, boycotting the show will have absolutely no effect. No one will know if you are watching it or not. Boycott the sponsors and contact them with your concerns. That is where ANY TV show is the most vulnerable.

Anonymous said...

"ThreeFarmers said...
Since Jon & Kate have now expanded their empire to include not only their self-appointed charity but television, publishing, lecturing, and music, they should go into the only business meant for such an EXHAUSTED woman... a muffler shop!"


Comment of the week please! I am putting this one on my fridge it made me laugh so hard!

Nancy said...

I've seen it mentioned here that Kate's father is a minister. Don't think so. I think he and his wife are also scam artists.
http://www.courts.state.pa.us/OpPosting/CWealth/out/339CD0


This is true, but YES, Kenton Kreider is a pastor. His church can be seen from Kate's house.

BEE said...

Fiona,

Jon and Kate inspired both my husband and I during their february 2008 speaking engagement in Ohio. How did they inspire us, you ask?
I am not stupid, I know that they have had a tremendous amount of help and frankly I don't doubt that perhaps they have not been 100% forth coming in all the happenings since finding out they were having sextuplets.

That being said they have also had some extreme troubles, marriage, family and financial etc. It is their story of how they relied on others and yes, even on God that was inspirational. They were very sincere, VERY grateful, and they know that they have been truly blessed.

Some people see their "freebies" as just that. However, I see them as the work of God. He puts all people and situations in our paths. It is up to us to make our choices, just as it is for the Gosselins.

Have I agreed with everything I have seen on the show? Absolutely not. Have there been times when I have cringed at Kate or Jon's behaviour, absolutely. However, put a camera in my house you just might find similar situations, since I am by no means perfect.

We all focus on the negative most of the time. I do it in my own life as well. However, this family, these parents, these children have a lot to offer. They are God inspired. Do they always act accordingly, no. But to me that is what is so inspirational about the Gosselins. The idea that we all have tomorrow to live a better life.

Granted I know that we all different, but this is just how I see things.

Thanks for asking!

Anonymous said...

BK says "A baby shower that lasts four years isn't a baby shower - it's a scam."

Comment of the week!
BK you have a way of cutting to the chase! I really enjoy your posts.

Anonymous said...

I'd like a baby shower that lasts for years....who wouldn't!

Anonymous said...

I'm in no way defending Kate, but I have to say when I started watching and continued to watch the show, I did so because watching Kate, for me, was like watching myself. I agree that she's depressed, over reacts and acts badly. Reading this blog has helped me see myself even more, though I have realized for a while that I need help. I totally understand what she's feeling when she thinks about her kids getting dirty, or when she feels frustrated and overwhelmed and has to yell to get her husband's attention and help because he's off somewhere else ignoring her and their children. There are a few differences; I have a few young children, not 8. I don't have any where near the money she now has, nor insurance to get help. In fact you could probably say my family is at the poverty level though we are working, but not receiving aide. I don't have a chef, laundry service, or personal assistant, etc...I am also grossly overweight. I realized in the past few months that I have never been happy in my life, and have always been depressed. Though I believe my depression and my problems stem from my obesity, I'm not really sure. As far as I can tell my childhood is not the cause. I grew up in an upper middle class family, was taught to work for what I had, and did go to college to become a health professional. My point is that Kate may not recognize she has a problem, especially if there doesn't really appear to be anything about her childhood or adult life that could be the cause. Also especially because Jon doesn't appear to recognize it or call her out on it either, although he obviously is not happy with the situation.
I do also believe that the money and the material posessions are masking the problem for them. As long as I had what I wanted I believed that I was happy. As long as they have the material posessions and the money, they will never really see what they don't have that should be the most important: A close loving family. The fact that Kate is not internally happy is what feeds her drive for more, more, more. She is trying to obtain happiness in a way that she will never find it.

iluveeyore said...

"my husband didn't even go to college, and he can support all six of us. so i have a hard time believing that two college educated adults cannot support their children. it's a choice."

Neither Jon nor Kate went to college.

NON said...

What bothers me most about Kate is how she says she is exhausted all of the time. How can she be? I am a divorced mom of 3. I work, do the house work, cook meals , wash the cloths, do ALL of the yard work, go to soccer, cheerleading, and take my daughter to her chemo treatment(brain tumor). And I deal with this all on my own. She has NO idea what tired is. Having 8 healthy kids and a full staff to do my work would be a breeze.

booboo19 said...

just wondered why on their old website, they thanked a furniture company for 6 cribs which turned into beds???? Huh?? If that is the case, why the need to buy more?

Nancy said...

"WHY then did Kate go shopping for bunk beds last season?? She could have bought mattress sets and they would have saved lot's of money."

No, because the bunk beds were FREE. Instead of having to buy mattresses, she got the bunks FREE. When you see a store featured on the show with its NAME showing (not blurred out) you can be pretty sure that whatever the Gosselins get from that store are freebies.

Anonymous said...

"Neither Jon nor Kate went to college."

Don't you need a college education to be a nurse?

Mollybloom said...

I'm not religious, but when J&K con and manipulate other people into doing and giving them everything they want--and then praise God for the bounty--it's not an endorsement for the faith. It's blatant earthly greed.

Sharla said...

Don't you need a college education to be a nurse?
No, it isn't a requirement in most states. Kate went to nursing school at a hospital (two year program).

K.C. said...

Lonnyswife said...
And I see mentioned again this Procter & Gamble gig.
Similar to the GH email/letter writing campaign perhaps as soon as we have more details, like what product/s,etc we should enlighten P&G as to why this was a bad choic in spokespeople if the point is to SELL your product.
Agreed?
___________________________________

Here is an interview Kate did on the CW-16 news for the P&G PUR campaign.

http://www.truveo.com/Kate-Gosselin-on-CW16-740-am/id/712508814

K.C. said...

THS said...I have wondered if maybe one of Kates parents treated her and her siblings this way? She had to learn it somewhere or she could be just that self absorbed, which is highly possible. But for someone to truly believe she doesn't need her extended family around just amazes me...

I have thought about this and I just can't see it. If Kate's parents were so terrible to her or abused her in ANY way why would she have left Cara and Mady to live with them the ENTIRE time she was hospitalized with the sextuplets in Hershey, PA?

I am not a first-hand witness to this, however; from what I understand, Kate's parents were VERY involved until Kate took issue with the donations she received from her father's church. Apparently she only wanted brand new items, 6 matching of each, or CA$H. Rumor has it that her father refused to oblige and the rest is history...I'm sure there is more to the story but I have heard this repeatedly.

ThreeFarmers said...

I contact P&G a few days ago and got an email back in about an hour. Here is a cut and paste of the response I got.

Response (RightNow Administrator) - 08/26/2008 10:28 PM
Thanks for contacting us, Jan.

The way we spend our advertising dollar is very important to us, so we appreciate your taking the time to let us know how you feel. Comments like yours help us determine the placement of our future ads, and I'm sharing your comments with the appropriate people in our company.

Thanks again for getting in touch.

Linda
P&G Team

Anonymous said...

KC thanks for the link to the pure water interview

But ugh! How irritating it is to hear people fawn all over her and call her "supermom". Do the words "due diligence" mean nothing to reporters and writers anymore??

One thing that was funny was that you could tell the female newscaster wanted mothering tips and it became obvious that Kate had none to offer her. Other than "bedtime comes"??? OK.

And the more questions were asked, the more irritated Lady Kate got. She is really not good at talking off the cuff is she? She was one question away from telling the reporters to stuff it, I felt like.
I think I've learned to read her pretty well.

I hope P&G drops her, but fast!!

K.C. said...

ThreeFarmers said...
The next time I attend a 4-year extended baby shower that nets in the millions of dollars, I'll let you know.

I don't know which one made me laugh harder, the original comment or your reply to it ThreeFarmers. OMG! You are hilarious!

beachluvin said...

k.c. said...
Lonnyswife said...
And I see mentioned again this Procter & Gamble gig.
Similar to the GH email/letter writing campaign perhaps as soon as we have more details, like what product/s,etc we should enlighten P&G as to why this was a bad choic in spokespeople if the point is to SELL your product.
Agreed?
___________________________________

Here is an interview Kate did on the CW-16 news for the P&G PUR campaign.

http://www.truveo.com/Kate-Gosselin-on-CW16-740-am/id/712508814

8/29/2008 6:33 PM

___________________________

I watched the video and I am disgusted. I looked for the contact information on the sidebar through "Sponsors of Exploitation" but didn't find it.
Can someone post it for me?

Quinn said...

"Kate and Jon can both work FT, just like the rest of us who want the best for our families."

I just had to add that the BEST doesn't mean that both parents work FT. That means the MOST money that you can pull in for your family. I understand that many parents both MUST work and that's unfortunate. It's better for a child to be raised by a parent at home with them everyday rather than another family member, babysitter, or daycare worker.
I had to add my two cents!

K.C. said...

BEE said...Some people see their "freebies" as just that. However, I see them as the work of God. He puts all people and situations in our paths.

So Bee, if this is your theory, then you also believe God put the people who donated to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker in their path? The people who, (much like the ones donating to the Gosselins), later found out they were duped out of their hard earned money by people who claimed to be devout Christians.

K.C. said...

Kate's CW-16 interview was rough. Kate really was unable to offer any parenting tips. Jen must not have been there to feed her the lines. How about the the 'Uh's and 'Umm's? I tried to count them but gave up when I realized I would need a pen and paper to keep track. Seriously, if this is an example of her public speaking skills, (and she gets $25,000+ per speech), then I should change careers! There's no way I would pay one red cent to hear her stammer for and hour. I would imagine P&G/PUR is disappointed--She really did give a pathetic interview.

I wonder how much free water she gets from P&G for speaking on behalf of their PUR campaign? EmTanner should send Kate new t-shirts...


(T-Shirt #1)
Front:
Will $peak for Water

Back:
.PUR.
B!T@H



(T-Shirt #2)
Front:
Will $peak for Water

Back:
PUR
KON

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned earlier that Oprah didn't seem taken with KON when they were on her show. Perhaps an idea can be "pitched" to Oprah to invite KON back, complete with the SuperNanny and a psychologist. I might be mistaken, but I think there's an area where you can email show ideas to Oprah's producers. Perhaps Oprah is big enough to take on Kate's altered sense of self and reality.

Anonymous said...

I watched the PUR interview too and my thought was this... IF I were a Proctor and
Gamble exec, I'd either drop her ASAP or get her public speaking lessons. Nervous, emotionless, exhausted demeanor, ... ugh. FLAT, FLAT, FLAT. The only time she became animated was when talking about HER show and sleep (her favorite thing). How can you ruin a goood cause? Hire dead pan Kate.

Anonymous said...

"WHY then did Kate go shopping for bunk beds last season?? She could have bought mattress sets and they would have saved lot's of money."

No, because the bunk beds were FREE. Instead of having to buy mattresses, she got the bunks FREE. When you see a store featured on the show with its NAME showing (not blurred out) you can be pretty sure that whatever the Gosselins get from that store are freebies.

8/29/2008 3:38 PM

I saw this episode also and thought that she was taking her sweet time in picking out beds, allowing her kids to trash the place and annoy the heck out of the dealer in hopes that he would just tell her take what you want and get out. You could tell that the old man had enough of the circus in his store. Why else would you drag the kids to the bed store, they dont care what they get. Especially when one of her kids was obviously ill and having bathroom issues. Wouldve Kate let them pick out what they wanted? NO. Jon couldve stayed home that episode also, his opinion doesnt matter too much in his house either.

Barbara in VA said...

You know what? I never thought of Kon actually paying for those bunkbeds and beds, but I'll bet you are right. She dragged those kids there in the hopes the owner would give the beds to them for free when he saw who he was dealing with (cough/gag). And then she decided to wait him out while the children cried and suffered and tore up his showroom. Well, good for him, and I did think as I listened to him telling her how much their total would be...boy, she's not used to hearing about money going out of their pocket if, indeed, it did.

BTW, I wondered way back when they showed Kon and the kids shopping at Costco and spending what seemed like thousands of dollars, gosh, my husband and I are both attorneys and have been for years and we can't afford to shop like that or we'd be bankrupt. We must be doing something wrong -- an IT analyst's salary? We went into the wrong line of work for sure. And that's when Kon was crying poor us. (Well, they still are)

K.C. said...

Barbara in VA,

Based on comments posted by Julie on GWOP,(I believe I read these in the comments under the blog entry Episode Recap Babies and Bedrooms), Jon and Kate did NOT pay for the beds or anything else you see them buy on the show. Julie revealed that the ideas for episodes came from a wish list provided by Kate. These payment scenes, (Bedstead, Banana Republic, the cow purchase, etc.), are staged. They took the kids along because the only way the beds would be free is if shopping for the beds was made into an episode of J&K+8. This opened my eyes even more. I realized then that free beds are more important to Kate than her son's well being. She must have chosen not to postpone the taping because in order for Kate to get free beds, 'the show must go on!' at any cost.

Anonymous said...

That PUR interview was a disgrace. Kate clipping coupons???? Yea right. And I was born yesterday. She wasn't even pretending she was interested in doing that interview for any other reason but the freebies that went along with it.

SmartyQ said...

BEE said... That being said they have also had some extreme troubles, marriage, family and financial etc. It is their story of how they relied on others and yes, even on God that was inspirational. They were very sincere, VERY grateful, and they know that they have been truly blessed.
Bee, I gently disagree with their financial troubles. Pennsylvania's Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) covered the tups from birth. Easter Seals helped too. The twins would have been included in CHIP too once Jon stopped working.

While I can't state this as fact, I'm sure Jon collected unemployment, which in my state is tax-free and not included in one's income for income tax purposes. I believe Jon's father provided the down payment for their first house, and he helped them financially during that time.

Even before the tups were born, Jon was hustling their story to local media, which was, IMO, the prep work for the shower of freebies. Kate's parents had the twins during all of Kate's hospitalization, so what expenses did they have beyond a house payment and Jon's food? (And probably he was chowing down for free at the hospital.)

Despite all of the above, the one thing that truly frosts me is Kate's admission at the hearing to induce Pennsylvania to continue the state-paid nurse for a second year. Kate said she figured they have $100,000 equity in their house.

gamom said...

Directed to Kate and/or the Gosselins' PR minions:
Recall this statement: "And as for our little house... I feel sorry for it!...Our biggest prayer request at this time, is a house that we fit into and can afford... it's going to literally take a miracle...and for now, we'll keep praying!" - Kate Gosselin December 13, 2005

My Bullcrap-0-Meter is going wild with this one...I'm talking bells and whistles blaring loudly...

Subtext ("our teeny house isn't good enough or big enough for my taste") aside, I have a few other problems with this comment. Kate, a house is made of brick and concrete; people are made of flesh and feelings and brains and souls, and thus should be given a lot more concern than the material things in your life. Was that really your biggest prayer at the time? Can your house be degraded on t.v., with its most vulnerable, private moments shown to the world? Can you talk rudely to it, or ignore it, or favor it over your other possessions? Will your house grow up before you know it and not have had the benefit of a full-time emotional connection with you? Instead of empathizing for your house, why don't you feel sorry for those 8 (yes, you do have 8, not 6) children on whose coattails you are riding for personal gain? Why don't you feel sorry for your husband who you berate and reduce to another "helper", despite the fact that he may now be the only person giving genuine attention to your kids? Why do you not feel sorry for cutting others who do care for your kids, and at one time, probably cared for you as well, out of your lives? Is a reality show on TLC really worth all of the consequences? I realize this is a single comment you made, but it seems to be a defining theme in your life and your show: "I had 6 kids at once, I cannot both care for them and give myself the life to which I am entitled, so therefore I need your help getting [insert product or perk]."

Yes, I feel very sorry, too, but it ain't for the house...

Please do not mistake these commments, as well as the others on this board, for jealousy. I have no problem with companies donating products to you, you and Jon not working, making money from the occasional t.v. special, etc. Quite frankly, I am a homebody and your family's vacay and appearance schedule "exhausts" the heck out of me. :) The way it is done, with deceit and ingratitude, is what bothers everyone. It is especially sad that it is all because of the kids that these gifts have been given to you, but you fail to recognize that the kids themselves are the gifts you should cherish!! Why not devote more time to playing with them, reading to them, and in general, encouraging their individual personalities, rather than worrying about appearances and niceties. Against all odds, you received twins and then sextuplets who not only survived, but are all healthy - so I ask you, where does God fall among Juicy Juice, EM Tanner, Disney, and Willow Street Photography as your favored "sponsors"?

I want you to know that I am praying for you and your family. If you indeed pray as you claim, I hope you keep praying not for additional square footage or for more lucrative bookings, but for: wisdom to raise your beautiful kids to the best of your abilities; humility, to admit that you are not doing the best you can for your kids, and also that, despite your rifts with virtually everyone, you should allow Jon and other family and friends who really love your kids to have a role in their lives; honesty, to quit taking advantage of hard-working people who believe when fellow Christians (and I am taking you at face value on that label) tell them they need their help; courage, to walk away from the almighty dollar and instead let your kids be kids rather than "reality t.v. cast members"; and lastly, hope and joy (ironically, the middle names of two of your girls). When I watch the show and read the comments on these boards, I am struck and saddened by my overwhelming sense that you or any of your family have any hope or joy in your lives right now.

Sorry for the long post...this has been brewing in my mind for a long time and I needed to get it straight in my head before posting.

Anonymous said...

That being said they have also had some extreme troubles, marriage, family and financial etc. It is their story of how they relied on others and yes, even on God that was inspirational. They were very sincere, VERY grateful, and they know that they have been truly blessed.

Bee I understand that you found inspiration in the Gosselin event, and if it helps your family, then it's a blessing.

But I would like to point out that it was a staged event. The Gosselins prepare for these appearances and know what the audience expects to hear. I'd scarcely expect them to stand on stage and sound ungrateful and spiteful. That wouldn't be likely to produce either love offerings or the hefty speaker's fees that they are now charging.

On the other hand, I think actions speak louder than words. I have no doubt that they talk the talk -- but I do doubt that they walk the walk. The decision to continue this show, the decision that this show is their life, as they admit on their new web site, the way they treat the children, most especially the boys -- all that belies the very words they speak.

If you and your family take their words and actually practice rather than preach the sentiments -- that's what is important. My only point is that I think Jon and Kate are reading a script, but not living it.

Anonymous said...

"I thought about going to Elizabethtown, KY to see them speak, but I KNEW it would get canceled. They're too big for the church scene now. Ironic"

They are no longer speaking at the MOPS event, but are scheduled to speak on that Sunday at the church...just so you know

Kyna said...

Great work.