"Parenting is not... a spectator sport."

Administrative Note: Special thanks to one of our readers, Pam, who was the first to bring this latest development to our attention.

Regular readers of this blog will remember our previous mention of Paul Petersen, who established the organization A Minor Consideration to support child stars and other child laborers through legislation, family education, and personal intervention and counseling for those in crisis.

Like many viewers of the Jon & Kate Plus 8 show, Mr. Petersen has evolved from casual observer to increasingly alarmed. His concern has led him to to publish this piece, urging Jon and Kate to stop filming the show: ...continued

87 comments:

Serena said...

"PARENTING IS NOT NOW NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN A SPECTATOR SPORT."

Regular readers of this blog will remember our previous mention of Paul Petersen, who established the organization A Minor Consideration to support child stars and other child laborers through legislation, family education, and personal intervention and counseling for those in crisis.

Like many viewers of the Jon & Kate Plus 8 show, Mr. Petersen has evolved from casual observer to increasingly alarmed. His concern has led him to to publish this piece, urging Jon and Kate to stop filming the show:

TIME TO EXIT, JON AND KATE
August 27, 2008

Reprinted with permission from Paul Petersen, A Minor Consideration.

The future of the “Plus Eight” is the real issue, Jon and Kate, and it’s time for you to listen. Your children are changing right before our eyes, and all of the changes aren’t healthy.

Consider us your Fire Alarm. The “former kid stars” that belong to AMC know this world better than anyone. We were very tolerant when “Jon and Kate + 8” first started, intrigued and sympathetic as we witnessed a loving mad house struggling to cope with an almost unimaginable blessing.

But, you know the old curse, “Be careful what you wish for because you might just get it.” Raising children is not theater, and we don’t care how much money is on the table. Little kids need secrets and silences, especially as they enter the world of schooling and making new friends.

Please examine the motives of all the people who give you advice and stand to make a buck off your children... including yourselves... especially you two. Not all change is good. For those of us who know what to look for, fame has a subtle but corrupting effect on everyone it touches, and it has touched your children... and you.

It’s not too late to limit the damage. Remove the cameras from your house, dismiss the film crew and tell them thanks. Whatever deals you have made can be undone, and we have the lawyers to help you. Disavow any and all contracts.

What started as a documentary has turned into dangerous distortion of childhood, parenting, and what passes for acceptable risk in the age of the Internet. The bulls-eyes you have painted on the foreheads of your children will only grow larger with time.

Parenting is not now nor has it ever been a spectator sport.

vrigg53 said...

Dear GWoP....for the longest time I thought you were just a bunch of hate-mongers. I still might disagree with you on some points, but we do agree on the fact that J and K's show needs to stop.

I do enjoy the show and love the family, and was a MAJOR defender of them, but as time has gone by, I began to see things a little differently. I think it was probably the "Aunt Jodi Video" that finally did it for me.

BUT, before that, I had contacted Paul Petersen of A Minor Consideration about my concerns. He was already quite familiar with the show and I certainly was not the first person to contact him.

It came as quite a relief to me that he has gone public on his website. I just had to let you know FINALLY how I felt.

Anonymous said...

Thank you GWOP for being strong advocates for 8 young children. Your careful, thoughtful forum has had an incredible impact. Bravo!

luvmytwins said...

Wow, that gave me goosebumps!! I pray they listen before it's too late for those precious children... At least people are becoming more aware of what's going on here, that the mental health of these children are at risk. Its just not "cute" anymore... Well, now that K$J stand to make a small fortune in the literary dept. maybe they'll let their children have a childhood and stop this train wreck.

Barbara in VA said...

I am so glad PP has weighed in on this, although I can not imagine Kon will listen at all to what he has to say. And Kate being less herself on her web site or the show or in her personal appearances at this point would only mean that she is able to keep the con going by adjusting her public persona. Way too little...way too late. Unfortunately, because I love the kids, this show needs to be cancelled and these parents need to step up and take care of their own family.

Anonymous said...

I hope that they will listen, but my guess is that they will not.
Let them have their free house with all the fixings. Let these children live their lives in peace off camera.

Anonymous said...

Being a child should also not be a spectator sport.

Pammy said...

I'm actually a little disappointed. After all of our hard work and the disgusting atrocities that KON has committed, when is PP's "dragon of advocacy" really going to awaken?

The exploitation of these kids is quite possibly the worst in history, and all we get is a polite urge to "stop that." I want to see an investigation done. This show needs to end. They need the plug to be forcefully pulled, not some note on a website.

Anonymous said...

Why not donate all of the proceeds? How much money does one family need?

Paul Peterson has brought a lot of credibility to what most of us have been saying for more than a year now. Unfortunatly it often takes someone of some weight and stature and credibility to make anything happen, and I hope his statement will make a difference here.

Anonymous said...

I am SO glad I heard about Paul Peterson coming on board publicly before I read about the new website. Talk about spinning and lmae attempts at damage control! They admit that their life is the show. Their children are working and have no life, no sanctuary, no normalcy, not even an inkling of what "normal" is. This circus is reality for the tups - Cara and Mady know better. Paul Peterson, continue to raise your voice and help us bring this madness to an end for these children.

Camera free & happy said...

I have respected the work of Mr Petersen for years now. He is a very smart man and his heart is definitely in the right place.

His letter clearly demonstrates that complete strangers care more about the Gosselin children than do their own parents.

Something is seriously wrong with that picture.

Steph said...

Hip Hip HOORAY!!

Good job, Serena and all of you who have worked SO HARD for this! You deserve accolades not only for your hard work, but for sticking it out when there were people attacking you. Paul Peterson is the perfect advocate because he ONLY cares about the children. Not the parents, not the industry, not the production schedule. He cares about Aaden, Collin, Joel, Leah, Alexis, Hannah, Madelyn and Cara. Not Jon and Kate, Figure 8 or TLC. HE is the guy we want to "help" the Gosselins figure out how to end the show.

He even offered free legal counsel! Who is Kate to turn that down! (I hope!)

I am off the check out their new website. Great work guys!

Anonymous said...

I see this as a great start! I truly hope that Jon and Kate see the light and try to exit soon for the sake of the children.

By the way I am fine with the idea of the Exit door hitting Jon and Kate in the ass on the way out.

BK said...

Sadly, I think Danny Bonaduce could knock on their door and they'd be like, "Hey! LOVED the Partridge Family..." They're blind. They're blinded by fame and the promise of temporary security. You can give a Gosselin money, but you can't make them think. :/

Paul Peterson has a voice and a legion of followers whose only goal is to protect children from the dangers of a fast-paced, television or movie lifestyle. Yet, I'm sure Jon and Kate will put him in the "evil" pile with everyone else who has the nads to tell them the truth or speak the truth.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Petersen, if you are reading this, let me just say that you are the definition of Good People. Thank you for standing up for the Gosselin kids when their own parents do not have the sense to do so.

Sera said...

I only hope this is the beginning of Mr. Petersen's advocacy on behalf of the Gosselin children. I applaud his efforts but I still think more needs to be done. Sadly, Kon don't read anything negative about them, most likely, they will never read what Mr. Petersen wisely has to say.

amandarella82 said...

While I am thrilled Mr. Peterson is taking a stand, it still seems a bit hopeless to me. I'm afraid no matter what Kon's first priorty is to the almight dollar. The sad thing is that all of us seem to be more concerned about the children's well being than the parents. That said I will still do my part to try to put a stop to the exploitation of these precious souls.

Anonymous said...

I think that this a good start, but I think that more needs to come from Aunt Jodi. She more than likely has behind the scences information. She should share that information with a reputable magazine. I think this would be the only thing that can end this circus at this point. I know it will be hard Aunt Jodi, but you are the only one that can stop this sideshow act.

FIONA said...

Sadly, Kon don't read anything negative about them, most likely, they will never read what Mr. Petersen wisely has to say.

8/30/2008 3:25 PM

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Oh Sera, They DO read!!!! I am 100% sure of it. And I bet that Jon and Kate are not at all happy that PP is speaking out! It gives me such joy! :)

Anonymous said...

In addition to PP & A Minor Consideration, there is the non-profit organization, Bizparentz Foundation. It is run by 2 great ladies, who between them have a wealth of knowledge about the industry & specialize in child safety concerns. They are the people to go to if a child/parent feels they are being exploited or any issue dealing with the safety & well being of child actors. If nothing else, they might at least could get through to the producers of this show what kind of danger they put the Gosselin kids in when they show them in various stages of undress. I can almost guarantee screen shots of those kids half dressed are on websites either run or frequented by pedophiles. Here is a link to the page of their website regarding safety:
http://www.bizparentz.org/gettingstarted/childsafety.html

Anonymous said...

Bravo!!! That was very succint and got right to the heart of the matter.

They'd be fools not to listen.

Anonymous said...

I totally believe they read everything here or someone else is and telling them about it, the damage control machine is in high gear.
Too little too late though, at least for me.

K.C. said...

I wrote a short note to Paul Peterson, via the link on his website, thanking him for trying to lead these two lost souls down the right path.

Thank you to GWOP and everyone else who is trying to help these children. It's a sad situation when strangers are more protective and concerned for these children than their own mother and father.

Ravello said...

Thank you Paul Peterson and thank you GWOP for raising awareness on the exploitation of the Gosselin children.
Legions or ordinary people have posted on this blog their concerns for the kids. It is amazing how perceptive our bloggers are. I am proud of everyone.

I just hope Jon and Kate take this to heart. I think Jon is fundamentally decent and I know he loves his kids.

ThreeFarmers said...

Like many of you, I wrote A Minor Consideration a few weeks ago and I am so glad to see the organization speaking out about the Gosselins.

I know that article doesn't use the harsh words that most of use would use to address J&K, but it's not the article that will bring change. TLC and Figure 8, will milk the Gosselins for all they're worth and convince J&K that everything is being done in the children's best interest. The only way they can be stopped is if legislation enacted by the Pennsylvania and, probably soon, North Carolina legislatures covers the well-being of these children.

I encourage everyone to visit A Minor Consideration's website www.minorcon.org and click on CONTENTS scroll down and read the series of articles on Kid Nation. It's a very enlightening read. I hope Jon and Kate pay a visit there as well.

I really enjoy how much PP keeps repeating that when children of reality television turn 18, they can then get their due through the courts. Joel might get the last word after all :)

Anonymous said...

I am just curious, what are the "danger signs" that the kids are being harmed?

Anonymous said...

I just stumbled upon this site by chance, and I am kind of shocked to see such a following.
I actually love the family and the entire show! Especially kate, even though there seems to be a lot of controversy on her.
So anyway, just thought I would leave my support for them.
Even if it's not appreciated :)

Anonymous said...

Jon and Kate,

You no longer have family and friends available for loving and caring advice. The people who surround you now are only in this for the money.

It is not too late.

Make-up with family and friends. Tell them you are sorry. Enjoy your current blessings. Allow your children the right to a normal childhood. Don't do this!

It is not too late!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I don't know if I am reading some of these right, but to say that kate doesn't love her kids may be going a little too far...

iluveeyore said...

"I am just curious, what are the "danger signs" that the kids are being harmed?

I'm sure I will leave some out, but I will attempt to list a few of the neurotic behaviors of the children.

* Mady is always scowling and looks miserable. She tries to run away from the camera or put her hand in front of the lens. She has slammed a door in front of a camera. Both twins melt down and cry much more than 7-year-olds and try so hard to be heard. But Kate insists that they have to go along with the show... and buck up for the tups.

* How about 2 of the tup girls vomiting when they want attention? Somehow I don't think that's within the realm of "normal behavior."

* Joel will glaze over when he is reprimanded -- as will Collin and Aaden. Shades of Sybil. Where do you think they go off to?

* It's totally unnatural for a small child to be so deathly afraid of getting dirty. We have seen the kids freak out if they happen to get dirty. They fear the wrath of Kate.

* The tups are being infantilized. Four-year-olds do not need potties, sippy cups, bibs, and naps. Anyone who knows a four-year-old can see how developmentally behind they are. Preemies are slower than other kids -- but not at the age of 4. They have been kept in a bubble.

Anonymous said...

I posted up thread a bit about Bizparentz Foundation. I just finished reading through some of their articles & here's one that's very relevant. Go to the this section of their site:
http://www.bizparentz.org/news2008.html

Then click on the article entitled,
"On Reality TV, Who's Minding the Kids."

I think this might have even been mentioned here before, but some people may have missed it the first time around. It's worth the read.

I bet if we contact Bizparentz, we can get them involved, at the very least, in educating the producers of this show why they shouldn't be showing some of the footage they do on air. That will at least be some progress. I'm sure they will even gladly come here & post what they feel should be done because I have seen them involved in discussions such as this on other message boards.

Anonymous said...

I think it is great that paul p. is stepping up and helping those children. Because the sad thing is that their own parents are to busy thinking about the next dollar, Which is very sad to me, How can you put a dollar value on your childs head. WAKE UP J&K If an when he wants to start a petition to fight for the safety of those kids i'll be the first to sign!!! please stop watching the train wreck people. As time goes on the kids seem more&more miserable and not having as much fun as in the begining, SO SAD PARENTING IS A PRIVLEDGE

Sad said...

Thank you Paul Peterson for speaking out for the Gosslin kids. This is just the beginning.
My hope is that your organization can help these precious children before they turn 18.
I don't even want to think about their futures if the show continues as it is now.

Anonymous said...

I think that is a very good article, or open letter that Mr. Peterson wrote. It was just the right tone, and he made it clear that he thinks the best thing for these kids is for the parents to put a stop to this show now. Of course Jon and Kate won't care about what he says, and I'm sure TLC won't care either. Money is what matters most to these people.

Snow said...

I have gone from a supporter to a disenchanted viewer. I just wrote a follow-up piece here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/997048/why_i_went_from_a_jon_kate_plus_8_supporter.html?cat=9

Previously I wrote about how great they were, and I can now admit I was wrong. I would like to thank you for creating this blog as a place where people can get honest information as, unfortunately, Jon and Kate are anything but.

Sera said...

FIONA said...
Oh Sera, They DO read!!!! I am 100% sure of it. And I bet that Jon and Kate are not at all happy that PP is speaking out! It gives me such joy! :)


I hope you are right, Fiona, I really hope you are right. I see the damage control they are currently executing, but to me it's in an effort to KEEP their show, not to sway public opinion (which may very well be one in the same).

Christine said...

One of the most compelling statements I've ever read on this family:

"The bulls-eyes you have painted on the foreheads of your children will only grow larger with time."

Thank you Paul Petersen for taking the time to look into this family and expressing your concerns as well. "If only" this show would go off the air, so many will be saved from future harm, 8 little ones especially...

damagedgoods said...

"* The tups are being infantilized. Four-year-olds do not need potties, sippy cups, bibs, and naps. Anyone who knows a four-year-old can see how developmentally behind they are. Preemies are slower than other kids -- but not at the age of 4. They have been kept in a bubble."

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. My daughter is a mere 6 months older than the tups and yet, developmentally, is light years ahead of them. And it's not like my daughter is so advanced or anything - based on her friends and her preschool peers she is quite typical of kids her age.

The tups speech and language seem quite delayed. Trust me, the "average" 4 year old articulates far better than these kids (Leah is an exception) and has a larger vocabulary. I have a two and a half year- old two and developmentally these kids are closer to him than to my four year old.

I don't say this to be nasty. I am not trying to diagnose. I think the children are precious and I feel their parents are doing wrong by them. This is one of the big issues I have with this show. I highly doubt these kids will be ready for Kindergarten next year. Anyone who is around non-delayed four year olds for any length of time will tell you how atypical the tups are for their age. The twins seem much closer to my 4 year old in terms of tantrums and emotional maturity.
My heart goes out to those poor kids.

hellokitty said...

I'm so happy that Mr. Peterson got involved. Maybe this show will end once and for all. Does anyone know if TLC is aware of his involvement?

cardamom said...

A previous comment mentioned the article "On Reality TV, Who's Minding the Kids?" on BizParentz, originally published in the Washington Post).
I read the article and many of the concerns raised about kids on reality TV are the same as my own. However, when an industry insider was asked about the exploitation factor, she is quoted to have said something like "it's up to the producers--if they don't mean for the show to be exploitative, then it won't be."
HUH?!! What does that mean? If you did not intend for something to hurt someone else, then it won't? If I did not INTEND to hit you with my car, then you won't be hurt? Such skewed logic is being fed to Kon by producers, I bet. That doesn't excuse Kon for their choices, though.
Remember, Kon, "the road to ruin is paved with good intentions."

Lonnyswife said...

Snow said...
I have gone from a supporter to a disenchanted viewer. I just wrote a follow-up piece here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/997048/why_i_went_from_a_jon_kate_plus_8_supporter.html?cat=9

Previously I wrote about how great they were, and I can now admit I was wrong. I would like to thank you for creating this blog as a place where people can get honest information as, unfortunately, Jon and Kate are anything but.
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Snow-Just had to write and tell you what an eloquent piece you've posted. Unfortunately, there is no convincing some people, they have to draw their own conclusions.
Don't we all want the same things for this family? I think we do. It's just some of us want them to fess up, quit living off their childrens foibles and more than likely doing some sort of mental harm to those poor kids. If indeed they have any $$ in those college funds (hey, here's a thought: Maybe the Governor of PA lied about setting up the college funds???Is that it J&K?) the kids will need it for therapy later on.The rest of the people are willing to follow blindly along, taking everything that comes out of their mouths as gospel.
I think that frightens me more than anything!
Again SNOW- job well done!

Christine said...

Okay this is a good thing for these kids but what is next regarding Paul Petersen? Will he contact TLC/Figure 8 or is this editorial on his site the only action he'll be taking?

Anonymous said...

The children might be better off staying on TV with servants, instead of Kate, looking after them.
Just because someone gave birth, doesn't automatically make them competent to be a mother.

Hugabug said...

Okay this is a good thing for these kids but what is next regarding Paul Petersen? Will he contact TLC/Figure 8 or is this editorial on his site the only action he'll be taking?

This is from the AMC web-site, history section:

They support an aggressive educational program, both public and private to share their personal knowledge of the way things really work in the world of juvenile Hollywood. They are a clear-eyed bunch, and they do not put up with propaganda and distortions that have so colored the actual experience. They also support a legislative program to bring order out of chaos (see "Kids and the Law"), seeking to make Industry child labor laws uniform througout the nations and to make the Coogan Law a part of every kid actor's work life. They want money saved for the kids from Day One and Dollar One.

Looks like they assist children if approached and, as stated in the J&K statement, offer assistance to help if they see a need. They also are involved in legislative efforts. There efforts have focused on children in scripted shows, but they are also focusing public attention on kid focused reality shows. They have come out strongly against shows such as Kid Nation, Make My Kid a Star, Baby Borrowers, and now Jon and Kate plus 8.

Anonymous said...

I think Jon and kate are like Gary Coleman's parents. When the kids check their bank accounts years from now, there likely won't be anything there.

Anonymous said...

is this editorial on his site the only action he'll be taking? What more can he legally do at this point? He can also write letters to the PA lawmakers as can we. And I guess soon write to the NC lawmakers. I think until the media starts to wake up and think about what the future will be for kids in reality TV instead of going aw, aren't they so cute but instead get the smirky gushing off their monitors and pages and start asking what is going on with these children? Have you had any social services advise you about the schedule and have you had any psychological counseling done to make sure they really are OK with being filmed so much? I mean if the majority of the media outlets are acting like isn't it just grand instead of oh, this is wrong to do to innocent children I think it's an uphill battle.
I think that's one reason I'm discouraged to hear that Good Housekeeping wants to slap an article together about the celeb Gosselin mom instead of an article asking is this the right thing to do to innocent children. Just another corporation jumping on the gravy train instead of saying whoa lets see if this is a good thing or a dangerous situation for the children. I've not had time to write to all the sponsors but all of them are as equally guilty for whatever bad outcomes these children have. Not that they'll lose any sleep over it as they roll over in their money filled mattresses.

snowangel said...

"The exploitation of these kids is quite possibly the worst in history"

Worse than children the same age being used as slave labor in mines in South America, worse than children this age and a little older being force to become soldiers and killing and maiming others, worse than children being forced into sexual slavery. And yes some times these things are forced on them by their own parents.

I understand that you are all concerned about the children and I agree to some extent. It would be best for them not to grow up in front of a camera. But the over exaggeration and hand wringing over a show that probably wont last more than a year or two more keeps your concerns from being taken seriously by the general population and the TV studio in particular.

Anonymous said...

I just wrote to Good Housekeeping and provided a link to Paul Petersen's editorial. Perhaps it would be helpful if more of us alerted them to his site?

Even if GH isn't planning to feature Kate as mother of the month, but rather just includes her as part of an article on families or organization?? -- any publicity feeds the egos of this couple and convinces them that this show should continue.

Anonymous said...

"But the over exaggeration and hand wringing over a show that probably wont last more than a year or two more keeps your concerns from being taken seriously by the general population and the TV studio in particular."
It isnt simply the fact that these children are growing 'up in front of the camera' the issues of concern extend far beyond that. It is the blatant exploitation of the Gosselin children to fulfill the self serving agendas of others, including that of their parents that is the most troubling. There is also the issue of the necessity for the establishment of specific laws that would protect the rights of minor children featured in reality tv shows. Even if the J & K + 8 show is here today and gone tomorrow does not minimize the long term benefits that could potentially result from public awareness and demands for change within the field of reality tv entertainment, as it applies to minor children. Obviously Paul Peterson found just cause in all the hang wringing and over exaggerating to take the time to express his concerns. As for the tv studios, they are doing their own version of 'hand ringing' as witnessed by their ever so obvious attempts at damage control. For them its all about the ratings.

tpk said...

I sure would like to believe that once the show ends, the 8 kids will be out of the public eye, living a normal live. Sadly, I do not think that this will be the case.

We know that Kate has shopped the twins to a talent/modeling agency. I think that this will continue to happen. J&K will get the kids out there any way they can. Any way that brings in money, that is.

Jules said...

To the people who are talking about the tups being delayed developmentally:

I agree with almost everything that is being said here. However, take into account that the tups are the younger set of multiples...the 2nd children in line are almost always behind. Add to that the fact that there are 6 of them, and they all depend on and feed off each other. Those two things can explain the speech delay...and I have worked in daycare...it is perfectly acceptable for a 4 year old to have a nap. BUT I do agree that the bibs, potties, and sippie cups need to go.

Steph said...

The twins are not particularly attractive. I'm not being mean, but to "make it" in show business, they have to be more than cute. They have to be able to memorize lines, not have melt downs, keep up their grades, and be able to "handle" all that comes with being in the public eye. From what I've seen, they aren't "naturals" at any of this. Most child actors are driven internally...the ones who are pressured to support their families are generally the ones who abuse drugs or commit suicide.

Plus, agents look at the parents as much as the kids. It would take an extremely talented kid to make any agents deal with Kate.

damagedgoods said...

"I agree with almost everything that is being said here. However, take into account that the tups are the younger set of multiples...the 2nd children in line are almost always behind. Add to that the fact that there are 6 of them, and they all depend on and feed off each other. Those two things can explain the speech delay"

I appreciate your insight on this jules. My feeling is, regardless of why they are delayed, what if anything is being done about it? Of course we don't know if they have ever received any services, but my hunch is no. These kids could have benefitted tremendously from early intervention. I don't know about PA, but where I live there is an abundance of free services available to young children ( speech therapy, physical therapy, occupational therapy, not to mention various behavioral therapies). They are there if you seek them out AND I'd like to add, many times the pediatrician suggests it.

It angers me because I feel like Jon and Kate could make things different. The earlier these issues are addressed, the quicker and easier they are to improve or even reverse.

Lord knows the Gosselin kids have enough on their plates, given their parents and their lifestyle on camera. Do they really need untreated developmental delays to boot?

Anonymous said...

How do any of us know if they've been evaluated for special services.

Maybe they have been. Maybe they are within the "normal" range.

Maybe they see a speech therapist, and it is kept private. How would anyone know?

Again are we really trying to diagnose children from a tv show?

a touch of tuesday weld said...

I think that Mady, Alexis, and little Collin have that "star quality" that would translate well into commercials, movies, etc.

However, you are absolutely right about casting agents and directors looking to the parents as well as the kids when making their decisions. Can you IMAGINE what kind of "stage mother" Kate would be? Her reputation would proceed her, definitely, as being "difficult to work with."

Mr. Petersen, if you are reading this: so many of us are worried about the money situation for the Gosselin kids. Are they being taken care of, financially? Is the money they make every week being invested, or blown by their opportunistic parents? We never get a straight answer from TLC or anyone in the Gosselin camp. Would you look into it, please? And God bless.

Lonnyswife said...

Anonymous said...
I think Jon and kate are like Gary Coleman's parents. When the kids check their bank accounts years from now, there likely won't be anything there.
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You are assuming that the children have bank accounts (other than the college funds set up by the gov of PA). Child 'actors' do have funds set up in their names, like trust accounts, that their money goes into and then at a certain age they are able to access that money. As these children are not covered by any 'labor law' I doubt very much that they have accounts of their own and that if they do, there is not a steady stream of money being deposited into them, IMO.

JKaz said...

I found the following on this website for the Pennsylvania Dept of Education:

http://www.pde.state.pa.us/k12/cwp/view.asp?A=165&Q=105983

Q: If a student wants to work as a model or performer for theater, television or the movies, what permit is needed?

A: The Department of Labor and Industry issues a Special Performance Permit for the employment of minors seven (7) to eighteen (18) years of age. This permit is for theatrical productions, musical recitals or concerts, entertainment acts, modeling, radio, television, motion picture making, or in other similar forms or media of entertainment to be performed in Pennsylvania. Children younger than seven (7) may be issued this permit to work in film or video productions, but not still photography.

If the performance or rehearsals will require any absence from school, there is a section on this permit that requires the signature of the building principal and work permit issuing officer. Arrangements have to be made to ensure that participating in the performances will not interfere with the student’s academic progress. To obtain an application for this permit, or for additional information, contact the Department of Labor and Industry at 1-800-932-0665.

Anonymous said...

I have a bunch of the Jon and Kate episodes on my dvr and I am going to erase them now as it counts towards ratings when cable companies show which shows are being taped the most. Remember that if you want to affect ratings - i.e. don't tape the shows!

Everytime I watch Kate I want to reach through the screan and punch her face off. She is such a liar and such a fake. I am watching the episode where she is making monkey munch and clearly looking at a recipe. Also remember their favorite meal, i.e. hummus.. I hope someone asks her at the next speaking engagement how she makes that from scratch (and asks her right there to give the directions since it is so easy). She is just a liar! The Duggars have tons of recipes posted on their site, and to be honest, since Kate is a lazy ass who worries more about her appearance on tv, she has plenty of time to write down recipes, not that I want any, but she is just a liar.

In this episode, you could clearly see three black cars parked in front of the Gosslines (i.e. the crew) and all kinds of fresh flowers (from the caterers on the kitchen stand and dining table). I see a couple of bins that look like they are probably catering trays. By the way, Kate reads the monkey munch recipe out loud, the liar.

even when she is putting Hannah, Leah and Alexis in the car both from the house and from the store, they are all acting like total brats!

I love these kids, but Kate is making them into total brats. Thing I am worried about is if they go off the air and Kate's parenting is under cover. They are so famous now we will always feel for them and wonder how badly psychologically affected they have become by the nut, mother.

I don't understand how Jon can just sit there and do nothing.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to see Dr. Phil re-visit this family. Not just sit down with them on the premise of KON wanting some discipline advice, which oh by the way got them another free hand out. But seriously address this situation. Dr. Phil would have a field day with Kate's issues. They could have their own Dr. Phil house. Kate would be running for the hills if he were to do an evaluation.

Anonymous said...

At this point it is my hope that they move to their new home in NC and they end the show. I have some strong feelings about all the "perks" the show has gotten them, but really, as long as the kids are ok, I don't care what they got for free. They need to move likely because of pressure from neighbors, lack of help from the community because they are sick of it, and some degree of privacy for their family. Didn't Kate even say it was hard to hire a nanny because everybody knows them and might have less than good motives around her children? That would TERRIFY me. These days we have to protect our children from being so exposed, and I wouldn't even allow a simple picture to be on the internet, let alone allow my kids to be known around the world, all their little details and personalities. I hope they move, free house or not, whatever, and end the show and give the kids a chance at a fresh start in a new place before it's too late for them.

FIONA said...

Not that our opinion matters ANON 7:15 am, but I would prefer they stay put. I would prefer they mend family fueds, and begin to give back and become a part of their community. I don't think it is at all good for the kids to live a reclusive life. Being sextuplets will make them stand out enough. If they could only realize how F****D UP the kids lives are.

The kids are growing up confused about what a normal life is, a Mother who is a mean, crazy shrew, and Jon who can give baths and send out nasty emails on the internet.

I think the family SHOULD be investigated. I don't know what kind of wienny is running the state of PA....but enough is enough, don't you think??? It is time to look into all their past offerings, taxes, etc!!!!

Sara said...

RE: snowangel said...
"The exploitation of these kids is quite possibly the worst in history"

"Worse than children the same age being used as slave labor in mines in South America, worse than children this age and a little older being force to become soldiers and killing and maiming others, worse than children being forced into sexual slavery. And yes some times these things are forced on them by their own parents."

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I think the poster who wrote about this being the worst child exploition in history, meant as far as children on television go. Of course everyone knows there are a million and one worse things that could happen to children, and nobody has tried to insinuate that this is a cardinal sin.

But as far as child actors go, most of them just had their bank accounts drained by their parents. The Gosselin children, on the other hand, have had their humility taken away. Their parents simply USE them so they don't have to get up off their asses and get jobs.

Moons in Leo said...

Anonymous said...
At this point it is my hope that they move to their new home in NC and they end the show.

Highly unlikely. There is room in the new house for the crew I've heard.

I have some strong feelings about all the "perks" the show has gotten them, but really, as long as the kids are ok, I don't care what they got for free. They need to move likely because of pressure from neighbors, lack of help from the community because they are sick of it, and some degree of privacy for their family.

Perhaps they're moving because of the alienation, but more than likely it's because they want a bigger house in a warmer climate with all expenses paid.

Didn't Kate even say it was hard to hire a nanny because everybody knows them and might have less than good motives around her children?

I never heard her say that. I heard her say it was hard to find a nanny whose schedule meshed with theirs.

That would TERRIFY me. These days we have to protect our children from being so exposed, and I wouldn't even allow a simple picture to be on the internet, let alone allow my kids to be known around the world, all their little details and personalities. I hope they move, free house or not, whatever, and end the show and give the kids a chance at a fresh start in a new place before it's too late for them.

Kon is not publicity shy. They are money hungry and exposing their children - including and most especially - their little genitals and psyches is the only thing they know how to do. After all, it's their job!

Anonymous said...

The Gosselins would never end the show. Once TLC decides they no longer want to continue the Gosselin show, what will the Gosselins do? Will Jon go back to work? Will Kate fire her servants, including the nanny? Do they have enough money saved so that they don't have to work? Whatever... The Gosselins would never turn the cameras off and ask the film crews to leave. Jon and Kate don't want to work and they don't want to get by without servants.

Serena said...

>>> Didn't Kate even say it was hard to hire a nanny because everybody knows them and might have less than good motives around her children?

>>>>>> I never heard her say that. I heard her say it was hard to find a nanny whose schedule meshed with theirs.


Kate definitely said that she had fears about people's motivations for wanting to be their nanny. It was in the episode originally aired on January 14th, 2008, titled Kate Hires a Nanny. That's why they scooped Jenny up from the Figure 8 Films crew and put her to work for them.

Moons in Leo said...

Kate definitely said that she had fears about people's motivations for wanting to be their nanny. It was in the episode originally aired on January 14th, 2008, titled Kate Hires a Nanny. That's why they scooped Jenny up from the Figure 8 Films crew and put her to work for them.

I stand corrected; however, I think Kate's biggest fear is that she will have to share the Cash Cow.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone truly believe that the backlash against Kate Gosselin is "typical flack that anyone on tv gets"? I don't think I have ever witnessed such an uproar amongst the viewing public and believe me I watch ALOT OF TV, and I keep my pc on so I can share thoughts with people while watching.

I did a google this morning to compare how many hits I would get if I searched Amy Roloff versus Kate Gosselin. I hit about 10,000 for Amy, and about 59,000 for Kate. Many more peeople are writing about Kate and most of it is NOT GOOD. Amy ruffled a lot of feathers at first because she treats Matt horribly (but not as bad as Kate treats Jon, as Amy would not dare correct Matt's statements all day long and Matt would never allow it - and also Amy got a lot of grief because of her poor housekeeping skills). But for the most part, people truly love Amy because we all believe that Amy (even though her parenting isn't perfect) is well grounded and is trying hard to do her best - plus Amy's kids are grown and have a voice!

Kate Gosselin is probably the most controversial person on television right now - there are blogs popping up left and right - people cannot contain themselves when we see a three year old boy sobbing as his mother threatens to throw away his favorite toy simply because there is a speck of gum on it. How could Collin ever want to hug or love his mother after that? Poor thing he is stuck with her. I wanted to go save him like many others - instead all we can do is write.

I seriously hope something bubbles up, like continued requests from Paul Peterson, an investigation into welfare fraud, an investigation to see if the Gosselins have properly licensed their home for commercial income purposes, an investigation into Kate's hit and run, an investigation to see if the kids need to be licensed to be on television. Also how healthy can it be to have industrial lighting in just about every room in your house when you are growing up? Has anybody thought of that? That such powerful lighting when you are trying to eat your cheerios (worried your mother is going to take your food away if you get one cheerio on your bib)? I don't care what anyone says - Mady is going to be mortified growing up and having to face so much scrutiny for having so many meltdowns and behaving like a brat just about each episode. the parents have set it up such that their kids are going to be so embarrassed in the real world, and that in my opinion is a form of abuse. Kids do need some privacy to avoid being ridiculed by people who have an inside track to their bad behavior.

Anonymous said...

Why would Jon and Kate need a nanny? Neither of them works. Also, why would the state of Pennsylvania set up a college fund just for the Gosselin children? Why not set up a college fund for everyone who wants to go to college? I looked up some terms that apply to the Gosselins... easy street, gravy train and cash cow. easy street: a condition of financial security or independence. The Gosselins will likely continue to live on easy street only as long as the show continues. gravy train: easy money; income obtained with a minimum of effort. The Gosselins want the gravy train to continue. Jon doesn't want to work and Kate doesn't want to take care of her own children, do laundry, cook and clean. cash cow: a business or product which generates a steady, dependable flow of cash. The sextuplets are Kate's cash cow.

Barbara in VA said...

I agree with everything you said. But Kon just does not care what will be 10 years from now when Mady & Cara are in HS and the others are in junior high. How can I say this? Their actions tell us, their web site tells us that they have no regrets about anything being shown on TV. Any damage done to the kids will never, ever, ever be their fault. No responsibility is accepted by them even for raising the children and so I can not imagine that an epipheny will make them do so at any point in time. I have a bit of hope for Jon, but the longer he stays in this marriage the weaker he will become.

Laura said...

As I recall in the episode where Kate interviewed the nannies, I think that she mentioned that she ended up hiring her friend's/neighbor lady's daughter that coincidently happened to be a nanny employed by Nannies For Hire.

Anonymous said...

barb in va, i am not sure who you agree with, but if it has to do with the post about mady being embarrassed, then yes, we all know Jon and Kate don't give a damn. Thing is that the public must do something, i.e. investigations, etc. and people should continue to write about their concerns here or elsewhere, including writing to TLC, Figure 8, the management company of Kon in California, Good Housekeeping, paul Peterson, etc. etc. etc.

Sad said...

Is anyone else deeply concerned seeing Kate smugly say the camera's were a great disapline tool for Mady? What parent in there right mind wouldn't put a stop to Mady "secretly" pushing and hitting the tups?
This really bothers me. She uses this as one of the reasons to continue having cameras in her childrens faces.
J&K have been bitten by the fame bug. They cannot or see reason. Very scary.
We need to contact Senators and Congressmen in Penn and ask them to do something about this situation while they still live there.
Jodie my heart breaks for you.

Barbara in VA said...

Sorry. I was responding to anon 8:51.

Anonymous said...

"Jon and Kate are the ambitious parents of this adorable bunch and they are battling all odds to make sure their brood has a normal, happy childhood"

This is straight from the TLC website describing the family. Are you kidding me? I can understand doing one season or a few episodes to give the kids some advantages or exposure to benefit the family I suppose, but this crazy nonsense is in NO WAY, shape, or form a normal childhood for these adorable kids.

Also, at times I have felt bad, like such a "hater", being on this blog and reading and contributing...but the more I think about it, the more I realize that this stuff is out there about the family (internet sites, etc) becuase they allow it to be by making their children a commodity.

Finally, I also agree with others that it is going a bit far to criticize these kids as treated like infants...so what if they nap and use sippy cups? I know many four year olds that do. I am concerned about far bigger issues.

Kristee said...

~~~~anonymous said...
I'd like to see Dr. Phil re-visit this family. Not just sit down with them on the premise of KON wanting some discipline advice, which oh by the way got them another free hand out. But seriously address this situation. Dr. Phil would have a field day with Kate's issues. They could have their own Dr. Phil house. Kate would be running for the hills if he were to do an evaluation.
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I have written to Dr. Phil numerous times regarding
the Go$$elins, I've never got a response from them. I remember seeing the episode when the G's were on, and all I remember of it was Kate seemed pissy the whole time.
If anyone could bring nation wide attention to this exploitation it would be Dr. Phil.

Anonymous said...

While AMC has done some good,let's not forget one fact:

Paul Petterson is an ACTOR - He has no direct understanding of reality TV. He understands what ACTORS go though, but doesn't understand REALITY television.

His "reality" was playing the son of one of TV's most perfect moms, Donna Reed, on THE DONNA REED SHOW.

Kate is no Donna Reed - but then who is?

SecretMonkey said...

"While AMC has done some good,let's not forget one fact:

Paul Petterson is an ACTOR - He has no direct understanding of reality TV. He understands what ACTORS go though, but doesn't understand REALITY television."


Yes, Paul Peterson was an actor. What he has done behind the scenes in the years since, personally mentoring many former child stars, more than qualifies him to observe the Gosselins, IMO.

ThreeFarmers said...

"While AMC has done some good,let's not forget one fact:

Paul Petterson is an ACTOR - He has no direct understanding of reality TV. He understands what ACTORS go though, but doesn't understand REALITY television."


Yes, Paul Peterson was an actor. What he has done behind the scenes in the years since, personally mentoring many former child stars, more than qualifies him to observe the Gosselins, IMO. "


AMC also played a pivotal role in the downfall of Kid Nation. There's lots of good reading on the www.minorcon.org website. Click on CONTENT at the top and scroll down to the Kid Nation articles. PP is as well versed as anyone can be on the relatively new phenomenon of children in reality television.

bri said...

No, the show is not worse than child trafficking, children in wars, with AIDS, etc, however if you took two minute to explore PP's website you would find articles regarding all of those tragedies, as well. The fact that worse things exist doesn't preclude caring about issues that are less dramatic or horrifying. A child who is being emotionally abused- as I believe all of J&K's children are- deserves protection no matter what.
I hope more of the mainstream media begins to open their eyes to this situation. The general public has a tough time thinking for themselves and beyond "cute kids on TV" don't critically observe what's happening in REAL lives on the other side of the lens. If more experts and respected associations (where are you, American Academy of Pediatrics?) spoke out, ratings truly would drop and let's face it, that's the only thing that makes a network take a show off the air.

Anonymous said...

Jon and kate would never choose to take their show off the air. They want to continue their lavish lifestyle. If new legislation was passed to keep children off of reality TV, there would still be incompetent parents raising dysfunctional children. When the Gosselin show eventually gets canceled and the camera crew finally leaves, the children's lives won't be normal... because Kate is their mother!

Anonymous said...

If we don't stand up for children, then we don't stand for much.

Anonymous said...

Even if the show is cancelled, those poor children still have Kate for a mother, and jon for a father. What on earth would kate be like if all her children were icky boys? Her dislike of them is so obvious.
I dont begrudge people who need help. Its the snobby, I am entitled attitude that is a major turnoff. I dont like greedy mean people, which Kate and Jon are.
Not watching anymore. I liked the kids, but hey, all little kids are cute to me.

Anonymous said...

I've been reading about Natalie Wood. As a child, she had been pushed into acting by her mother. She had been drinkng for hours right before her death. Also, I've read that the Olsen twins spend a lot of time drinking at night clubs. At least one of them, maybe both, smoke. They look wasted. But, Ron Howard, (Opie from the Andy Griffith show, ended up stable/normal. Then there's Shirley Temple. As a child, she was pushed into show business by her mother. She ended up normal. I think some people weather adversity better than others. Whether the Gosselin children will end up as stable adults, or if they will have problems, such as alcoholism, will depend on if they have a "too sensitive" nature.

Anonymous said...

Read this bad news of another corporation being duped.
http://www.napsnet.com/articles/59279.html
You can go to grainpower.org to find the contact information to let them know that due to the exploitation of her minor children we can not accept this choice for their spokesperson.
I will be switching to a grain free diet. There are web sites out their with information for patients with celiac or gluten sensitivities such as http://www.foodallergy.org/ to assist those that want to also boycott grains until they get an appropriate spokes person.

Tricia said...

The Labor Day episode was my last~I can't stomach it any longer. That show was absolutely pointless and it should have been the show to end all shows~as in the final chapter; full circle etc.
The kids are cute; but yeah Kate is not.
**I felt really good today shopping with my printed list of things NOT to buy @ the store today. Any and all things from companies that sponsor Jon & Kate+8 didn't go in my cart. There are plenty of alternatives including store brand items. Probably saved some bucks to boot..** Easy Peasy..
I have also written everyone mentioned..
This must stop.

Anonymous said...

But, Ron Howard, (Opie from the Andy Griffith show, ended up stable/normal.

Ron Howard has specifically said that one reason he grew up normally is that his parents NEVER used his earnings to support the family. He's talked about that on several occasions.

Ron Howard also chose to raise his own family in Connecticut in order to avoid the Hollywood-style of raising kids.

Lonnyswife said...

In response to ANON 02:30
http://www.napsnet.com/articles/59279.html

Here is my letter to the Grains Food Foundation:
I was just made aware of your new Brown Bag Lunch campaign.I find it unfortunate that of all the mothers in the world youwould choose to feature Kate Gosselin as your spokesperson.Are you aware of an organization calledA Minor Consideration----headed by former child actor Paul Peterson?I have enclosed a link to his web site which I think you should take a look at. http://www.minorcon.org/His organization is concerned with the welfare of children inthe entertainment industry, as an example, they were helpful in getting legislation passed in New Mexico after the debacle known asKid Nation aired on television last season. His concerns regarding the Gosselin children and the fact that theyare not protected under any state or federal laws should be of someimportance to any organization who would consider choosing one of the children's parents as spokesperson. Have you ever watched the show Jon & Kate + 8? I was in Sales & Marketing for a number of years. I can't think of a single product on the market that I would feel comfortable having this woman be my spokesperson for. There is growing sentiment among a large number of people that what is being done to those children solely for monetary gain is totally unacceptable. Those people who find it offensive have contacted televison stations, sponsors, magazines, newspapers, and the Pennsylvania Governor in regards to the matter. They have canceled subscriptions and stopped buying certain products. They have quit watching the program.I know from some of the responses I have received to my letters that some of them are taking notice.It may be too late for you to reconsider your choice. As I said, I know, once the promotional materials are printed up and/or distributed it would be abit dicey to try and backtrack.Please take my email in the vain it was written. Not to scold. Only to inform. And to hope that in the future your choices of spokespeople will be made after careful consideration and investigation.
Sincerely,
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I urge everyone who cares to write. The contact email is
jennifer.geiger@mullen.com