Jon and Kate in Parents Canada

The online version is here.

Free Discussion December 25 to January 1

Happy New Year to all. This thread is for discussion about the Gosselins that you can't find a better spot for it.

A Conversation With Santa

A Conversation With Santa

Santa takes time out of his busy toy-making schedule for an exclusive chat with Jon and Kate Gosselin, stars of TLC’s hit show Jon & Kate + 8.


Submitted by ThreeFarmers

What Should the Gosselins Get the Kids for Christmas

We've seen and heard what Jon and Kate say they are getting the kids for Christmas and what their plans are. What would you give them or do with the children?

Happy Holidays

We wish everyone happy holidays from the blog administrators. May those who travel do so safely and may all your celebrations be cheerful and safe. Thank you all for being such loyal readers.

The Twelve Days of Gosselin

On the twelfth day of Christmas the Gosselins gave to us:

Twelve helpers helping
Eleven daily tantrums
Ten prepared meals
Nine fewer loved ones
Eight exploited children
Seven new seasons
Six free vacations
Five slaps for Jon
Four hugs for Hannah
Three "icky" boys
Two miserable twins
One horrendous hairstyle and a shrew-a-shrieking on the TV.

Courtesy of several friends of the blog. Thank you all.

Another Book Signing

Kate was signing books again last night. It's nothing new, but this one includes an awesome pic of her!

Thank you lifeoriley for the link

Jon's Interview with Philly Inquirer

To see it go here.

Free Discussion December 18 to December 25

Happy Holidays! For discussion about the Gosselins that you can't find a better spot to place it, please talk here.

Interview with Jon

Go here. (I had to use download to get the podcasts to play. For those having trouble that might help.)

Thank you Nikki.

Giving Back Recap

Our right jolly old elves, Jon and Kate, hitch up their eight tiny meal tickets and fly down to Memphis to spread holiday cheer and Kmart toys to the children of St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital. I love St. Jude’s and I’m not going to rip on them. However, I will note that it is wrong to give the impression that the Gosselins paid for any of the gifts or items that they delivered, when they clearly did not. I'm not even going to touch J&K's inability to do basic math. It was nice to see Bev, though.

Twas the night before some random November day when all through the $1.3 million-dollar house,
Not a creature was stirring, not even Jon’s spouse.
The stockings were hung by the suitcases with care,
In hopes that free toys from Kmart soon would be there.

The children were nestled all snug in their beds
While visions of organic catered sugar-plums danced in their heads.
And Kate in her wonky asymmetrical kerchief, and Jon in his free Phillies cap
Had just settled their under achieving brains for a long winter’s nap.

When out on the professionally manicured lawn there arose such a clatter,
Jon sprang from his basement bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the window he flew like a flash
Tore open the shutters and threw up the production crew’s poorly-installed sash.

The moon on the ill-supported breast of the trespassing new snow
Gave the luster of mid-day to objects below.
When, what to my freshly-lasered eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh and eight Asian-featured reindeer.

With a despotic driver so exhausted and hick,
I knew it a moment it must be Kate’s schtick.
More rapid than beagles her coursers they came,
As she complained and shouted and called them by name!

Now, Mady! Now, Cara! Now, Leah and Collin!
On, Hannah! On, Joelly! On, Alexis and Aaden!
To the end of the driveway, to the top of the mall!
Now, cash away! Cash away! Cash away, all!

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly
When they meet with an obstacle mount to the sky.
So on down to Memphis, the coursers they flew
With a sleigh full of toys and Kate’s enormous sense of entitlement, too.

And then in a twinkling, I heard on the hotel roof,
The hitting and whining of each little hoof.
As I drew in my head, and was turning around,
Down to the hospital lobby they came with a bound.

She was dressed all in free clothes from her head to her foot,
And her soul was all tarnished with ashes and soot.
A bundle of toys she had Jon throw on his back,
She looked like a peddler with an Ann Taylor Loft sack.

Her tummy, how flat! His hair plugs, so scary!
Her teeth were all glowy. He wondered, What did I marry?
His droll little mouth was tied shut with a bow.
Will the children forgive him? He just doesn’t know.

What remained of Jon’s manhood, she held tight in her teeth.
She needed a pedicure and it showed on her feet!
With her white plastic chair and a surgically taut belly,
She published her recipe for crackers with organic jelly.

He was chubby and plump before getting a trainer for himself,
And Kate handed out books from Zondervan’s shelf.
A wink from his eye and a twist of her head
Soon let us all know of the lies we’ve been fed.

She made up some words, then put the children to work.
She filled all their sippy cups then called Jon a jerk
Before giving her husband a punch in the nose,
She belittled her children, that’s just how it goes.

"It must be done my way," to Aunt Jodi, Kate bristled.
And away they all flew like a Hawaii-bound missile.
And I heard them proclaim as they drove out of sight,
Our life is our show and our show is our life!

Submitted by ThreeFarmers

More Shopping Tips from Kate..... I KNOW!

I'm sure you all are as tired of hearing this from her as I am, but this one struck me as particularly funny. She really has no self awareness.


Thanks to Yolanda and anyone else who sent this link in

An early Xmas present

Tom and Trix Plus Six updated last night with a new chapter.

Some Gosselin Christmas Humor

Beware the link may open in your blog window so check to see if you need to click back instead of close.

Go here.

Can You Name a Good Quality about Jon as a Parent?

We had Kate last week. This week let's see what people can think of for Jon.

About Beth as the Author of Multiple Bles8ings

Reading Eagle article quoting Beth about writing the book is here.

Thank you, Tess.

Philadelphia Parenting Examiner

Read the story here.

An additional article with Jon's comment about the families is here.

Free Discussion 12/11 to 12/18

Please use this for discussion about the Gosselins that doesn't fit elsewhere or this week's questions and answers.

Please Note

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Article in Honolulu Paper

It's here.

What we want to see or don't want to see

I think everyone knows or expects that the episode I long to see is the series finale. But as long as Jon and Kate chose to be on TV showcasing their brood, what would you like to see them doing?

Twins are Mommy for a Day Recap

The Twins are Mommy for a Day on this episode of Jon & Kate + 8. A bit of role reversal goes on in the soon-to-be former Gosselin house when Mady and Cara take on Kate’s duties for a day. Will they be able to put grapes on a plate? Will Hannah get the sort of favoritism to which she’s become accustomed? Will the Twins be able to regulate their own blood sugar levels? Stay tuned.


Submitted by Three Farmers

Twins Play Mommy, December 8

Monday, December 8. The twins are excited when Jon and Kate give them an opportunity to be a mommy to the sextuplets for an entire day. But as they try to guide, feed, and instruct their younger siblings, they soon learn that the grass isn?t always greener on the other side.

30 minutes.

"Multiple Blessings" - Publicity Release

Article information sent by an alert viewer

Reality TV couple delivers 'Multiple Blessings' Zondervan will release on Tuesday, Oct. 14, Multiple Blessings: Surviving to Thriving With Twins and Sextuplets by Kate Gosselin and her husband, Jon—who star in the hit reality TV series Jon & Kate Plus 8 on TLC.

Kate Gosselin said writing a book was the last thing on their minds after they found they were pregnant with sextuplets, just three years after giving birth to twin daughters. "Soon after (the sextuplets) were born, people said, 'Oh you need to write a book,' " Kate Gosselin told Christian Retailing. "I remember for the longest time my joke was, 'Yeah, in my spare time, right?' … But after a while of living it, it kind of felt like we were living a book."

Beth Carson, the couple's friend, offered to help them "capture the memories on paper" of their unique family situation. "I had told her (Carson) numerous times that I needed to write this book ... for the kids," Gosselin explained. "I need them to know how much that they were wanted, loved and know it wasn't the plan we had (to have them). It was the plan God had for our family."

Co-written by Carson, Multiple Blessings reveals details of the couple's journey as they raise their eight children, while striving to honor Christ in spite of emotional, financial, social and physical exhaustion.

"There was really no story to tell if you minus God and His plans out of it," Gosselin said. "So it's very important to tell it the way it was, the lessons we have learned and are still learning through our story."

Zondervan has no book tour plans for the Gosselins, but the couple plans to promote Multiple Blessings as they speak in churches—a ministry that has increased with the growing popularity of Jon & Kate Plus 8, Gosselin said.

The Gosselins were scheduled to appear Oct. 16 on Good Morning America and Oct. 17 on Fox & Friends. The November issue of Good Housekeeping will feature the Gosselins on the cover as well as an excerpt from Multiple Blessings. Ladies Home Journal was to feature the book in this month's issue, and Redbook will have a story on the book in its December issue.

What I Like about Kate

Challenge for the day: list at list one positive example of Kate's parenting.

Kate's Next Proposed Opus

Eight Little Faces or child exploitation in one easy to purchase volume.

The O'Reilly Factor

He's scheduled to have an interview with Paul Peterson be shown at 5 and 8 tonight. If anyone watches please let us know if the Gosselins are discussed.

That Christmas Card Moment

I used to be a loyal viewer of Jon and Kate. There was something comforting about seeing other people having to do the same mundane tasks that every parent does, but with a greater number of children. I stopped watching, when the show became an infomercial for various resorts around the country and demonstrations of the latest toys. I couldn’t resist watching the latest “vow renewal” episode, since TLC hyped the show, with glossy slow-motion filming and a new pull-at-your-heartstrings song, but the episode fell flat.

I actually feel sorry for Kate. She seems to live her life, as a series of photo-ops. As long as she has the beautiful 8x10 of her family in impeccable, carefully chosen clothing, she doesn’t care if anyone is actually enjoying themselves or having a good life. You can see the glee on her face, as the family lines up for the “one big photo” or is forced to do the canned events that in her mind constitute a “perfect family”; oblivious to the looks of disdain on everyone else’s face. I think these photos and staged moments are how she justifies her choices. The problem is she is forcing her family to dress-up and sit for the “Christmas card photo,” every day of their life.

How sad that such a beautiful ceremony would only be witnessed by strangers; including the strangers that posed as “family.” The Bible verses on the cake, the flowing gown, and the perfectly painted fingernails do not make the “perfect wedding.” The top hat, the caroling, and the gingerbread nativity do not make the “perfect Christmas.” Kindness, Love, Respect, and Sincerity are the only components you need for a “perfect day.” If only Kate would write that on a 3x5 note card to hang on her cabinet.

Submitted by Ll774

Free Discussion 12/4 to 12/11 and Question and Answers

To corral the comments that are popping up that people are saying I don't know where to put this or are off topic for the other posts, here is a spot. Also we've seen quite a few questions lately, so put those here also.

I'll start. One question came through today asking if we had plans to convert the blog to a board. We don't at this time as I don't think direct conversion is possible and none of the admins/mods is up to handling both a board and a blog at this time. I'm sorry that sometimes it's tough to keep up with where you were last time, but right now this is what we can handle.

Tups Turn 50

Lt Gov Knoll remarks...I try to picture 46 years from now when Alexis, Hannah, Aaden, Collin, Leah, and Joel will get together for their 50th birthday party. There will be more candles at that event than there were at the Vatican a few weeks ago. It will look like the runway lights have been turned on at an airport."

Submitted by scaryskiernj

Need Helpful Savings Tips? Kate Can Help!

Procter & Gamble opened a new store on Black Friday... and who was there? Our very favorite budget queen.


I wonder if she took the kids to Manhattan or if she left them on the holiday weekend.

It's a Book recap

The latest debacle…er, episode of Jon & Kate + 8 proclaims in a decidedly exclamatory way that It’s a Book, as if they’ve never seen one before in their lives. Regarding Multiple Bles8ings, in an effort to review it, I’ve been on a waiting list at my local library for about 6 weeks. While I’m chagrined that so many people wish to read this heaping helping of organic verbal succotash, I’m bolstered by the fact that just as many of those same readers refuse to buy it. I wonder why Kate never suggests that people use their library rather than paying for books? Such a great money-saving tip.

Kate states from the onset that the book was written so that their memories are recorded before they are forgotten. Of course, after 4 seasons of their show, they must be hard up on documented memories. Perhaps they should purchase seasons 1 and 2 on DVD. Kate is so proud of herself for writing that book. A notion that is so steeped in crazy that I can feel Beth Carson rolling her eyes from my squatty little desk here in mid-Illinois.

Evidently, every single email they get tells of some reader alternately laughing then crying while unable to put down their book. I know this is a lie because MY email to them certainly didn’t read anything like that. *grin*

Now that the book is written, it’s time to promote it. That means taking the kids out of school, renting a bus, and heading to New York City. Jon mentions that it would be too boring to have a show about them just sitting around the house so that’s why it’s good to do all these trips. I’m sure the twins’ teachers would agree. Psst, Jon. If your life is that boring, then you shouldn’t have a show. The show is all about how not-boring your life is. Careful you don’t shoot yourself in the foot, son.

I certainly hope that the twins and tups have punched their time cards because they are about to set out on a 14-hour trip to the city to promote their parent’s book. Jon and Kate have just admitted that promoting is their work so if it is work for the parents it is work for the children. I think Paul Petersen should issue a ruling on this one.

But first, we must pay the bills and promote the Wii. They are playing some music game where everyone plays an instrument and they make a band. Several smiling children bounce around a bit then Jon orders everyone up to bed because they have to leave at 5 a.m. to get to NYC on time. While most of the kids immediately march upstairs, we see Hannah throw herself on the floor in a wee bit of a fit in protest of her bedtime, but editing takes over and we don’t get to witness the favored child come unglued. I give this kid a few more months before that long hair is gone and she’s sporting Kate’s yucca plant hairdo.

It’s morning and the bus is loaded and Kate yammers on for a while about how all of this promoting is normal for the kids and such fun. Kate spins a bit of fiction as she says that it isn’t stressful for her anymore. Thank you, Valium.

They visit Good Morning America where we don’t see much of the interview. Someone from the GMA staff passes out lollipops to the kids after their segment which doesn’t please Kate at all. They aren’t organic lollipops and the kids will get sticky. The children bicker and Kate takes the lollipops away, although Hannah is seen with hers later. She tells the kids that she saw a sign that read “no lollipops”. That would be parenting tip #86, I suppose.

They arrive at Fox and Friends, the second stop of the morning, to do a taped segment. Kate stresses that she doesn’t allow the children to do more than two appearances a day and they prefer that one of the two is taped. Kate doles out treats saying that the kids who crowd her don’t get a drink. Huh? Kate, you have 8 kids, it’s your job to be crowded. Perhaps your space would be less invaded if you’d put Hannah down now and then. It’s snacks and sippy cups all around before the kids are hustled onto this huge sofa where they can squirm and be noisy in full view of their parents.

We get a quick glimpse of someone from Zondervan, their publisher. We should see that the exploitive folks at Zondervan get some mail.

Kate, who now considers herself a full-on literati, tells Fox that the book is getting awesome reviews. Kate needs to get something clear. The word “awe” means having the power to inspire dread. The word isn’t necessarily positive. I know people use “awesome” all the time assuming it’s a positive description. It’s not. It is pretty darn funny that she describes her book reviews as things that inspire terror or dread. You stand in awe of something that has the authority to hurt you or has some power over you.

Kate says she loves to meet people. I would imagine that’s because it gives her someone else to which to condescend. Jon later makes the same remark. I guess they got their scripts mixed up.

Jon mentions something about being in a city of 17 million people. Um, Jon, there are a little over 8 million people in NYC. For your figure to be correct, about 9 million people would have had to rush out of the city upon your arrival simply to make room for your borough-sized ego.

Kate reiterates that the reason they wrote the book is so the kids know the struggle they went through but that they love and want every one of them. I guess she keeps saying this to off-set the previous statements she’s made that the tups are the result of an infertility nightmare and that they wanted only one baby. I’m sure the kids will work all this out in a reasonable way when they are teenagers. Jon and Kate AGAIN state how they are not going anywhere and they will be together forever. That’s because saying it makes it so.

While Kate went to the 700 Club to do an hour-long interview, Jon fed the kids lunch because it is important for them to stay on schedule. The fact that the children’s actual schedules have them in school at this time of day, notwithstanding.

Kate talks about how she does a lot of stuff by herself now. It seems she does her best parenting when the children are a couple hundred miles away.

The pressers are complete and the family heads to Central Park for some low-budget fun on the swings and such. The kids have fun, but Kate’s hair is starting to look a little wonky, so it’s time to relax in a carriage ride through the park. On the way, Collin runs into a pillar and is crying. Kate, with Hannah in tow, tells him he’s fine and shoves him over to Jon. Seems Colly can’t interrupt Kate’s quality Hannie time.

They climb into two carriages, with Hannie perched high atop Kate’s lap. The ride is the most enjoyable part of the episode. The kids are peaceful and a few snooze. After the ride, Jon is heard very clearly saying “Thank you very much, Sir.” to the coachman. Good for him. With all the concessions they are given in nearly every episode and as much as others go out of their way to accommodate this family, that phrase should be heard from all of them several times an episode.

It’s about 3:30 p.m. and time to climb back into the bus for their 3 ½ hour ride back to E-town. Kate mentions (sitting next to Hannah, of course) that the bus is a great place for the twins to do their school work. Actually, school is a great place to do their school work. Kate says she brought pajamas for the long drive home, but the kids are still in their regular clothes when they pull into the driveway.

Everyone is exhausted and most are sleeping, including Jon. Exhaustion is something Jon and Kate are used to. Not to insult Einstein, but the Gosselin theory of imbecility states that E = MC² - K. Meaning that energy can only exist without Kate and her omnipresent exhaustion. Kate, in fact, manages to suck all positive energy out of any situation. A human black hole where energy, motivation, and proper haircuts go to die. With all of this Kate-provided exhaustion and suction, I’m straining to avoid the obvious joke, but I strive to keep the censors happy, so I’ll refrain.

As a rare treat, instead of giving us a rundown of their packing process prior to departure, we get all the details of the unpacking process upon their return, because THAT makes such good TV.

I’ve just spent the bigger part of 30 minutes listening to Kate tout the success of her literary effort with nary a mention of Beth Carson, another of the book’s credited authors. Kate only lives a few miles from Beth, now. It’s only a matter of time before they run into each other at the spa. Sure hope the cameras are there.

Submitted by Three Farmers

It's a Book! December 1

Monday, December 1. The entire Gosselin clan heads to New York City for the day, embarking on a press tour to promote their new book. After a busy morning of appearances on several well-known talk shows, Jon and Kate decide to take advantage of the Big Apple.

30 minutes.

Keeping the Sextuplets "Toddlers" is Savvy Marketing

I’ve read so many comments and observations here from people that question why the sextuplets still wear bibs and sit in high chairs as well as the baby talk that is encouraged instead of corrected.

It’s really quite simple: Smart marketing.

History in the entertainment industry has shown us that once child stars get older that the cuteness is gone and no longer profitable.

Keeping the sextuplets from growing up is making the Gosselins and everyone connected with the show in the business of making money.

What will happen to the show if the sextuplets were allowed and encouraged to develop and mature normally? It would be cancelled and the Gosselins and producers surely must know that.

Seeing almost-5 year old children still talking like toddlers, wearing bibs and sitting in high chairs keeps the illusion of the cute little tykes afloat. As long as the illusion is there, the money making will continue.

It isn’t bad parenting that is keeping them behind in their growth or maturity levels, it’s smart marketing.

Submitted by Kris

Yard Sale Recap

Submitted by Three Farmers

Dragging myself to the television to watch this episode was like walking with two lead weights tied to my feet. That was until my ears perked up with a reason to watch the latest episode of Jon & Kate + 8! A sneak preview to the recent Witherspoon/Vaughn project, “Four Christmases”. Thank goodness, something to which to look forward. Continue

Yard Sale, November 24

Monday, November 24. Jon and Kate have realized how much they've accumulated over the last four years and have decided it's time to clean house and hold a Gosselin-sized yard sale!

30 minutes

New National Enquirer and Redbook Articles

There is a bit about Jon and Kate in the Dec 1 issue. Bohemian Moon has posted a copy here.

Report from a Recent Church Talk

Go here.

For Better or Worse - Recap

On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8! Jon and Kate remark how grateful they are at all the freebies they have been given over the years, and then explain how they've reconciled with their estranged family members while simultaneously deciding the kids have had enough of living their lives in front of the cameras, so this will be the last ever episode of this madness. (Continue)

Submitted by Dew.

The Wedding Episode Struck a Journalistic Nerve

This episode has apparently struck a nerve. Here are two articles that ran today.

This national syndicate appeared in the Reading Eagle, a local paper in the Gosselin neck of the woods.

The Boston Herald ran this piece.

It would seem that the freebie train has some cars derailing.

Leis and Luaus - November 10 Recap

Leis and Luaus

Anyone care to guess how tempted I am to summarize this episode by writing, “The Gosselins took a vacation and got a lot of free crap. See all season four recaps for details.” and just call it a day ?

I know, I know…I can’t do that to you guys, but you get the idea. SSDD. It’s a vacation to remember, but still begs the question: Vacation from what? The last vacation? I just don’t know what these people have done that warrants a ‘vacation’ from anything. defines vacation as: “A period of time devoted to pleasure, rest, or relaxation, especially one with pay granted to an employee.”, “leisure time away from work devoted to rest or pleasure”, “a period in which activity or work is suspended”. So, you can see the problems all over that terminology.

The Gosselins are wrapping up their five day layover in San Diego that they needed to allow the kids to adjust to the time zone change on their way to Hawaii, and finally, they arrive in Maui where they are greeted with more people who are just happy to see them as well as a table full of crap at the Grand Wailea. Everyone gets lei’d and boy….
No…..OK…too easy there.

The immediate plans before this big farce of a second wedding ceremony are hula lessons and lei making for the girls and shopping for wedding shirts for the boys. This, much like the last episode, is shaping up to be a big honking flashing neon sign advertisement for the resort du jour, in this case the Grand Wailea. The Gosselins settle in to their awesome digs and Jon takes the twins to the waterslides while Kate and Jenny take the little ones to one of the many on-site pools. There’s a Lazy River on site, which no doubt works well for Kate. Leah proves to be quite the little swimmer. Of course, they all should be by this point after spending the last five months vacationing. It’s said that if Leah grew gills, she could be a fish. That could be applied to a lot of things with this family. For instance, if Kate grew a conscience, she could be a human. If Jon grew balls, he could be a respectable man. It will be ‘neat’ to be able to say Leah started swimming in Hawaii. Well, it was bound to happen somewhere, I say, as much as these kids have spent in pools, at beaches and resorts this summer.

Up next, Mady heaving and gagging. She’s turning into quite the Mini-Me of Kate, unfortunately. I so hope Jenny will act as a buffer for some of that so the child will learn there is a right way and a wrong way to go through life. Jon takes them to the beach and Mady is scared of the waves, but manages to make some friends along the shoreline which is a good thing to see. I’m glad Jon doesn’t shoo away every person who approaches his children. I’m sure the ever-constant cameras following these children around add some curiosity factor to their presence, but things like that little friend you made at the pool or shoreline that year at the beach are what childhood memories are made of. I hope when Mady grows up she retains those memories and finds joy in them, and her whole childhood isn’t summarized as ‘the cameras were always there’ or “Mom was afraid of attention seekers and didn’t let us make friends.” Sometimes there are just genuinely good people who pass through our lives. Some stay but some of those moments are fleeting but nonetheless valuable, and I hope Mady and the other kids have those memories.

The fun with friends that we see only lasts a few minutes, but I do hope the production team didn’t just show this time together for the sake of critics and allowed Mady to play with her new friends, perhaps without the cameras so they could all be at ease. We know what a grueling schedule they have to keep. Next shots show Jon and the girls on the water elevator that takes them to the top of the waterslides, and it’s back to grind, complete with more shrieking and protests by Mady. I think she’d be very happy back on the beach playing carelessly with her new friends and without cameras, but it’s just a feeling I get. I don’t think Mady likes these forced setups and obviously things she doesn’t care very much for all for the sake of getting the ‘money shot’, complete with a Mady meltdown. She knows it by now.

Later, the kids join Chef Eric and Natalie in the kitchen for baking and decorating cookies. Kate’s stressed over this, which is just shocking, don’t you think? I just can’t imagine Kate being stressed over something as simple as cookie decorating. Wait, oh yeah, I can.

Once again, Mady is banned from an activity, despite the fact they are making two batches of cookies; Mady Cookies and Cara Cookies. It’s just so sad how they have chosen to further exclude Mady and distance her from her siblings. I understand Mady. I know she is a troubled child and may be hard to deal with at times. The thing that baffles me is that they can’t see the why’s of that,this Catch 22 they find themselves in, afterall it is at their own hands that they have created this troubled child.

After all the cookies are made, with Jon assuming the role of Mady and making the batch of Mady Cookies, it seems they go out of their way to let it be known none of the kids wanted any Mady Cookies. Wonder why? Could it be that the parents have so ostracized Mady from the family that even the little kids want nothing to do with anything Mady? Very, very sad.

The family goes to eat dinner at a beautiful grass hut restaurant, where more PR for the Grand Wailea ensues. At this point, it’s really quite embarrassing to watch how they have sold their souls to this type of stuff. I take none of their compliments of the restaurant or the resort as a whole as genuine. It’s just part of the script now. Joel is pretty cute and genuine as he enjoys some lobster but that’s about as far as it goes.

The girls all go to make leis, and they really are very beautiful. We learn Cara lost a beloved stuffed animal in San Diego, “Slumber”, that she has had since she was three years old. We can all rest easy knowing that the resort they were at in San Diego found the cherished toy and happily shipped it back home to them in Pennsylvania. Another perk of being a big star I guess. While the girls are making leis, the boys go on a treasure hunt around the area. Joel finds a palm frond and pretends it is his very own mic, carrying it around just like his ever present buddies from the production crew do, hanging it over their heads. Yep, these kids are just your average little tykes. My four year old pretends he’s a dinosaur and these kids pretend they are television programming production crew. Nothing out of the ordinary about that.

Finally we get around to some hula lessons for the girls. Thankfully Mady isn’t banned from this activity and we see, once again, given the right circumstances and exposure, Mady can and will excel at the task at hand. She takes great pride on her accomplishments and relishes any and all praise she gets, usually from strangers hired to work with the family, but I imagine at this point, the child will take anything she can get to help that growing self esteem problem festering in her.

The boys take off for a little shopping. Jon has to pick up the shirt he ordered online before arriving in Hawaii, and they need to purchase shirts for the boys for the service. This whole excursion is basically another ad for Moonbow Tropics in Maui.

The whole family garners a front row seat for a luau that evening they all seem to enjoy. I’m a little shocked they didn’t get their own private luau but it’s good to let the kids see there are actually other people who coexist in the world with them. It looks like a fun evening for everyone and Mady gets an opportunity to go on the performance platform with some other kids from the crowd to show off her hula lessons. She did a great job and seemed to enjoy it.

Next up the whole family takes a catamaran trip out to snorkel and see sea turtles and other underwater creatures. This really looks like another fun day, but really, who couldn’t have fun in Hawaii? Of course, Kate is her usual hesitant self when it comes to actually getting in the water but she does it. The boat captain is really nice and funny and interacts well with the kids, engaging them often and letting them take turns driving the boat and Aaden helps prepare lunch. Jon makes a joke about throwing Kate overboard; yes, the woman he is about to recommit to. I don’t know about those kind of jokes from Jon. We’ve tried them in jest and they don’t blow over so well, so I’m not sure someone so close to her who knows her so well should either. The episode ends with Alexis quiet for a change, with her head buried in a boogie board that has a viewing circle made into it so she could see under the water surface without having to dive under.

Previews for the next episode show what is hopefully an end to this blatant advertisement for the Grand Wailea with finally this recommitment ceremony we’ve all been hearing so much about. After the last two episodes which were basically the same, change the name of the city and resort name and it’s basically the same old same old, I hope they’ll get this party started. This was quite honestly the most boring episode I have ever seen.

They needed to mix it up and throw in the threat of some dreaded tropical disease just for fun. I don’t know, something like “Dontwantus Gobacktoworkus” could be interesting. Ooops, too late, they’ve already contracted that. Must have been in Key West.

Submitted by Manda

Monday Nov 17 - For Better or Worse

Jon and Kate prove that they are more committed than ever to each other and their unique life together as parents of multiples. After almost ten years of marriage, Jon and Kate have a wedding vow renewal ceremony in Hawaii and you are cordially invited!

60 Minutes

Gosselins and Discipline

There have always been many comments about the Gosselins and how they discipline---or don't discipline---their kids. They have admitted that there are different consequences for bad behavior off-camera that they don't want shown on television. (For the record, I agree with that.) But does that mean that the same consequences for the same bad behavior are used consistently, and certain things are left on the cutting-room floor, or does it mean that different days and different circumstances have diffferent results depending on whether there is a camera present?

I would speculate that they base their method of discipline on whether or not the film crew is there. While this is a good idea for reasons of privacy and dignity---one of the few examples of such with this particular family---I feel that the lack of set, predictable consequences for misbehavior is doing a disservice to the children and contributing to them acting out of control. In fact, I would submit that it's Jon and Kate's overall inconsistency toward discipline that is causing their children, as precious as they are, to behave in ways not fitting for 4 1/2-year-olds and 8-year-olds.

With their lifestyle being what it is, as busy and demanding and chaotic as it can get---especially for small children---it must be adding to the general confusion when expectations and consequences seem to be a random flip of the coin. And the kids all seem like pretty smart cookies; they must be getting to the point where they realize that they can get away with a lot more during certain circumstances: on filming days, in public places, when a helper is in charge, etc.

A few comments were made on the "Leis and Luaus" thread that the Gosselins used to brush off Mady's bad behavior as hunger or dramatics or just her personality, and not really punish for it---but that now, all of a sudden, they are imposing consequences for her "dramatics" by not allowing her to participate in fun vacation activities with the rest of the family. I realize that no parent is perfect, that sometimes it takes awhile to decide to really crack down and enforce standards of behavior, and that it's "better late than never" to require good behavior of your child. But there is still the problem of consistency. Sometimes Mady is punished; other times she is not. Mady is punished for one thing; Cara is not punished for the same thing. One of the sextuplets throws a fit or hits another and it's overlooked; next time it's dealt with. On Monday this behavior will get you put in time out; on Tuesday it's a different punishment, on Wednesday it's simply ignored...all dependent upon the moods of the parents, where they happen to be and what they happen to be doing that particular day, or whether the film crew is there or not.

One thing that child-raising experts have always stressed is consistency of word and deed. The only consistency this family seems to have is that there isn't any. I realize that it's pure speculation for me to say what exactly they do as far as discipline goes and why, but I'm only basing my observations on what has been seen on the show and verbalized by the family in interviews, talks, etc. If Jon and Kate want their kids to grow up to be productive members of society---and to not give them absolute hell during the teen years!---they should start by setting rules, ensuring those rules are followed, and practicing consistent discipline. Even if they change very little else about their lives, unchanging standards of behavior across the board would go a long way toward improving the kids' attitudes and behavior both.

- Contributed by Natasha

Gosselins VS Other Reality Shows and Families

We've been getting a lot of comments about the Gosselins vs other reality families (Duggars, Roloffs, Hayes, Harris, etc.) plus one of our friends wrote the piece below. Please post all your future comparisons here. Those that wander into other posts are subject to be rejected now that they have a home. This is intended to be a blog about the Gosselins not every other reality family and we decided that we would open this one spot since there seems to be a desire for it. Also, we won't be responding to emails comparing the families. Thanks!

Here's the difference between the freebies the Roloffs get and the freebies the Gosselins get, and why I don't have a problem with the freebies the Roloffs get.

1. The Roloffs don't ask for it, hint for it, in any way whatsoever. The Gosselins practically beg.

2. Freebies haven't changed the Roloffs. They are still the same good people they were the first special ever made. The Gosselins have just gotten worse.

3. The Roloffs have always been so appreciative of anything they've ever been given.

4. The Roloffs do not live off freebies. Amy works, Matt works, the children work and pull their weight. The Gosselins live their lives around freebies. The Roloff's story about overcoming what is a real disability actually IS inspirational when they go on limited speaking engagements, and they had been doing speaking engagements about dwarfism even before this show began.

5. The Roloffs stay home most of the time like little old men and women. There have only been a few episodes about trips, and rarely in any kind of VIP excess. They have almost certainly turned down countless freebies. The Gosselins: "Who are we to say no?"

6. The Roloffs give back. Matt has his own charity. The Gosselins do not give back.

Contributed by Dew.

Premise of the Show

Can anyone tell me what the premise of this show is now?

I mean it started as a couple dealing with the daily struggles of raising twins and sextuplets. It's nothing like that now. Opinions, please?

Submitted by 3 Farmers

Leis and Luaus - November 10

After several days of travel, the Gosselins arrive in Hawaii and learn about Hawaiian culture through private lei making and hula lessons, Hawaiian cooking classes, snorkeling in the Pacific Ocean and participating in a traditional Grand Luau. (60 minutes)

Legoland and Animal Safari Recap

On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8! Kate and Jon are on vacation! Vacation from what, nobody knows.

We're still trying to get to Hawaii so this ridiculous couple can renew their vows and go home, but we're not even remotely close to that moment yet, unfortunately. The family needs five days to adjust to a three hour time change, and do this by relaxing at LegoLand and Wild Animal Kingdom in San Diego. San Diego just happened to offer them a free trip at exactly the same time that Hawaii did! San Diego is not to be outdone by Hawaii, of course. Gotta keep up with the Joneses. Going around America's most expensive cities spending money is quite relaxing, I suppose, if you have money in the first place.

Credits roll. I appreciate the sympathy for my 401k in my last recap. If anyone is wondering, it's doing a bit better this week. It felt your love.

At the airport, which I think is Philadelphia--hey, it looks just like that episode Plane Ride to Utah, with maybe the kids a little older. Oh, yeah, and no Beth helping. They don't need no stinking friends or relatives anymore. Not when they have a catatonic nanny.

Kate leads the kids to the restroom, which everyone insists is still called the "potty." At a certain point that will no longer be cute, and it's coming soon. This is actually one of those few moments that harkens back to what I thought was the real premise and "hook" of this show--which is the logistics of getting eight little kids all about the same age through day-to-day life. For instance, how will only a few adults get this many kids in and out of an airport restroom (or potty, if you're a Gosselin)? Well, they line them up outside, Jon watches the line, and it looks like Kate and Jenni take them in one at a time. But that's all we're gonna get of the mundane stuff that is surprisingly interesting. TLC is much more interested in the thousands-of-dollars trips, and are convinced we are, too! Networks. I wish I could vote them as our president.

The kids are getting really good at going through security. That's odd, because just a short while ago Kate was insisting that the kids have barely ever flown before. In their spare time have they been jet-setting to Japan like Brad Pitt does making watch commercials only the Japanese see for some extra cash? I have my suspicions. But seriously, I really want to know how these kids got so used to airplanes when everyone always likes to try to pretend they stay home and live very normal uneventful lives. Yeah, I don't think so.

The kids are crying and screaming, probably because they're hungry for breakfast, tired, sick of the cameras, or all three, and Kate is yelling at Jon about something. "We're very disorganized on this trip," she complains. Probably because she no longer has real pros the kids really respond to along, like Beth or Jodi.

Kate picks a completely stupid fight with Jon about who will lead the group and who will head up the rear. Seriously, why does it matter? Just someone over the age of 18 get in front and someone also over 18 get in rear. Kate insists she has to be in the rear because she's not good with directions. I've been to the Philly airport at least six times on connecting flights if not more; it may be huge but it couldn't be more simple to get where you're going. Step one, you look at your gate on your ticket. Step two, you look at the yellow signs above your head which clearly point which way your gate is. Step three, you proceed in that direction to said gate. Jon explains that it is annoying to be in front because Kate is always telling him to walk faster and overall irritating him while he's trying to be the leader. Yeah, I can see that. Poor Jon, another damned if he does damned if he doesn't situation. Kate has him just where she wants him.

Jon snaps, "You're stinkin' annoying. Too bad." They keep fighting over this for quite some time, all in front of the kids, too, as well as the nanny, who probably feels super awkward right now. Hysterically, while this is going on, the nanny kind of quietly wanders to the front with a few kids and starts to lead. Jon and Kate STILL keep fighting. Kate claims that she is dealing with everything and Jon is doing jack, just like she always does. And she's completely wrong, just like she always is, since Jon is, as usual, busting his balls. That is if he still has any, which is open to debate. I'm reminded why this couple and this marriage completely, utterly, BUG.

On the couch, Kate is still not letting this go. Another of her admirable qualities--she holds grudges as hard as some people are trying to hold onto their jobs in this economy. She is talking in circles not making any sense at all about why Jon had to be up front. She finally tells Jon to just say that she is right and get it over with. She even grabs his mouth and tries to make him form the words. Man, she is desperate! My grandfather always said the more wrong they are the louder they talk. Good advice, Grandpa. Thankfully, Jon is like, no way not sayin' it. I have a great book recommendation for Kate, it's called "Getting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In." I think the techniques in that book might work a little better for her rather than her current strategy.

The howler monkeys and their parents herd onto the plane. Kate is, of course, "exhausted." She's got a four-buck Starbucks grande in hand to pep her up. Jenny is stuck in the very back row where you can't even recline your seat because it's built up right against the bathroom wall. She kind of casually suggests she sits somewhere else, but Kate forces her to the back. Being a nanny for a celebrity family has such wonderful perks, doesn't it? Surprisingly, Cara, not Mady, is having a complete meltdown. And they haven't even left PA yet! She bangs her hand on the seat for emphasis. "This is the worst trip ever!" she sobs. "Ever! Ever!" Cara coming alive! I love it!

Kate already made it abundantly clear she doesn't want to sit next to Alexis on the plane in the last episode. Now, right in front of Alexis, she reiterates that she was avoiding this child and doing everything she could to pass her off on Jon. I guess she thinks Alexis is not old enough to realize her mom is talking about her, making fun of her, and doesn't want to be around her? "My seats are full!" Kate laughs evilly. I give her a dirty look.

So very oddly, Kate says they've been with the kids to California "numerous" times. Huh? As far as we know they've only been with the Tups to California once for the Ellen show, and with the twins to northern California once for a speaking engagement. That's only two. But I actually believe Kate that it's been numerous, because of how good the kids are at traveling cross country. I think there is a shitload of jet setting going on above and beyond what we see on the show, which I don't think is very healthy for these kids--the stress, the time change, the long flights, the instability, and so on. I don't know where they are going--photo shoots maybe, production meetings, free trips we don't know about, but it's a lot. Also out of curiosity, what is the plan to keep all this up when they are in school?

Oh God we're only five minutes into this episode. I better speed this up.

Kate and Jon justify a huge thousands-of-dollars trip to San Diego by insisting that the children couldn't possibly adjust to a six hour time difference without five days of fun, sun and a resort in San Diego. This way they can slowly adjust to about forty minutes a day. I see their point.

The kids are fairly good on the plane and Kate actually made a great effort to try to entertain them with various games, food, and things like that. She ruins the moment by reminding us again really truly no one likes Alexis, like, at all. Personally? I think the little leprechaun is great.

They land. Kate gloats on and on about how a flight attendant thought her kids were so well behaved. Cut to Collin who is refusing to get off the plane with Jenni and in fact wants to go backward down the aisle. I'm afraid that won't get you back to PA, Collin, or out of this family, either. Jenni, the alleged nanny, is utterly clueless how to handle this, and Collin bolts ahead. On his way out, he smacks his head hard on the bulkhead. He's wearing crocs. I wonder if that made him trip, because I've heard a lot of people complain that crocs make little kids trip. Incidentally, I thought Kate was heading up the rear. Why is the nanny now heading up the rear? It seems like a parent would want to be last out of the plane to check for stray children, ipods, sweaters, things like that. Oh, well.

Kate explains that the reason Collin got hurt was that God was punishing him for not obeying Jenni. Um, what? HOLD UP. Does anyone still actually believe that God punishes anyone, much less an adorable four-year-old little boy, by causing them to fall on their head and possibly get a concussion, skull fracture, or worse? I thought that was something 17th century Puritans and possibly a few leftover followers of Jerry Fawell held fast to, but certainly not mainstream Christians these days. And for the record, if not for the show, Collin wouldn't have been on this airplane in the first place, let alone had a nanny who can't control him. He could have been seriously hurt and Kate is sitting around talking about some vengeful God.

I know religion is a hot topic and that a casual reader might just think I'm prejudiced against the Bible Belt. But I am actually a very regular church goer myself (I attend an evangelical Presbyterian church), and I'm still really shocked that Kate believes this, I have to say. It's clear to me she is a religious nut, and TLC has done a damn good job of keeping it on the down low for much of this series since they already had the religious angle with the Duggars. Jon and Kate were inconveniently just as Godly, so they had to sort of try to avoid it. I’m super curious now what she actually says at her church speaking engagements, if anyone can afford to hear her anymore.

While we're on the subject, let's talk about Jenni. She's not a stand out nanny by any means. She's not all that enthusiastic, creative, or affectionate. But she does the job and puts up with a lot of, well, shit. The kids seem moderately attached, at least some of them. But she'll be gone in another couple months of course, when she does something that offends Kate and gets herself estranged. Kids can get super attached to caregivers, and to shuffle in and shuffle out a bunch of rotating faces without really giving them any lasting stability, is really cruel, I think, and also really insensitive. I wonder if anyone has helped the Gosselin kids feel and process the loss of Beth, Jodi, or others. Eh, probably not. Moving on!

They get on a bus to Paradise Point, a gorgeous resort, which invited them. Read: Paid for it all.

Coming up, Kate manages to ruin some more fun!

The family has settled in at Paradise Point on Mission Bay island, which also has a spa. I bet Kate requested that! Kate explains that it was perfect because they never had to interact with anyone since it had a bunch of private entrances. That's nice. I hate interacting with people, too.

"Jenni had her own room," Jon explains. Then Jenni explains that actually Mady and Cara slept with her on the rollaways. So yes Jenni had her own room, I suppose, not counting the two kids in it. Ha! I certainly predicted that one correctly. I am really curious how much Jenni is getting paid for not even being allowed two minutes to herself on this entire trip.

They explain where everyone else slept, which is boring, and then they explain that the kids no longer need potties. Seriously? Hallelujah. How old are they, like twelve now? Notably, Kate and Jon have their own master suite "away from the kids." I see why they needed to bring the nanny along.

Jon and Kate take all the kids to the pool. The kids are really turning into little fishies after getting some swimming lessons. They should consider getting a swimming pool at their house in PA, huh? Perfect investment in this economy.

For like the sixth time Jon explains why they need to spend five days in California spending TLC's money and adjusting to the time difference. The three…hour….time difference. We get it, we get it!

After lunch Jon and Kate take the kids to a lagoon, except Mady, who is back in the hotel with the nanny. Mady was misbehaving so she wasn't allowed to come along. I actually don't have a problem with this. If a kid is misbehaving, she should lose privileges like doing something fun with everyone else. But I do have a problem with Kate calling her "ugly." She is a misbehaving child, not a duckling. All kids misbehave at some time. They are appropriately punished, and hopefully they act better next time and eventually grow into nice adults. Ugly has nothing to do with it.

They buy some fish food and let the kids sprinkle it in the water. This is such a great activity and kids always love stuff like this. Kate is even taking pictures and everyone is having a blast. Jon gets some drippy squid to feed the sharks, which is super cool. Everything is going so great until Joel drips a little squid water on himself. Kate freaks and tells him he's going to stink like a fish but "we can't change you!"

Um, why can't they change him? Because the boys won't match? Because they don't have any other clean clothes? Because the nanny is not available to change him? That's just ridiculous. A nice moment ruined. Thanks Kate!

Commercials. The Duggars have their own show now. Copiers! The Duggars may be odd ducks, but I like them so much better than this family and I could write a dissertation on why. Starting with how much more appreciative they are of the little things in life and how aware they are of how wonderful and blessed their happy and healthy family is. But alas I'm stuck recapping this crap. God must be punishing me.

We're back! Jon decided to get a paddleboat which unfortunately only seats three kids. Kate decides who has been really good today and who will get along with who, and Jon and Kate manage to split the kids up without them realizing it so that Cara, Hannah and Collin go with Jon to the paddleboats and the rest of the kids go with Kate to the beach. Aw.

Jon insists that Cara has to ride backwards in the paddleboat. She has a meltdown and says riding backwards makes her sick, which I'm sure it does. It does quite a few people. Thankfully Jon figures out a way where she can kneel on her knees and face forward in her seat. Problem solved. I don't want to even imagine how Kate would have handled this issue. Probably call her ugly and banish her to the nanny, I suspect. And involve God somehow.

Back at the resort, the nanny is watching the kids on the beach. At least the nanny is having some nice quality time with these kids that aren't hers. And Kate is standing around crossing her arms and talking to the cameras. After all the efforts to not let the kids know they had to split them up for the boats, Jon paddles straight up to everyone to say hello. Wow, that's kinda mean. Of course the other kids want a ride, too. Aw, that stinks that they all couldn't go.

Kate takes a couple pictures with her iphone. Yet another thing the average American really probably can't afford. Or at least shouldn't get, budget wise. Of course I have a Blackberry I can't afford whatsoever, so who am I to talk. I "need" it, I promise.

The production crew rented another paddle boat and desperately tried to keep up with Jon and the kids to film them, but they really couldn't. I think that's a sign from God. You know, to leave them alone for once.

Kon finally realizes it's totally unfair to just arbitrarily take two kids on a paddleboat, and Hannah is always the good child anyway so that's really an uneven contest, so they start taking turns with all the kids and shockingly, even Kate participates. Everyone is getting a chance to ride at some point, which I'm very happy about. Unfortunately with eight kids, you're going to either have to make an effort to make things like this as fair as you can, or not do them at all. I know critics will say life is not fair, but trust me, these kids will get that lesson plenty of other times.

Coming up, building more memories at expensive amusement parks!

We're back. They're going to Legoland, which is actually in Carlsbad, not really that close to San Diego. But that's okay we can pretend it's in San Diego. Anyway, you would think part of the hook of traveling with this many kids is how you're going to get them to where you want to go, but not this show anymore. Production has chartered a shuttle which drives everyone there, and everyone naps peacefully on the way. Drama gone. Yawn.

Legoland is pretty much just like every other amusement park episode of which there have been way too many, so I'm going to skip most of it. The short of it is Kate can't go on a ride without yelling at Jon and making everyone edgy and nervous.

At one point Alexis tries to make her escape from this family, but unfortunately Kate catches her and drags her back. I've never seen Kate run so fast after something. But after all it's like watching money blow away in the wind when a child in this family wanders off. They should get these kids insured. Mady gets super frustrated when trying to drive these cute little Lego boats. She's going to be a fun one to teach to parallel park.

Coming up, more fun at the amusement park! More screaming, but at least it's happy screaming.

We're back! "If you're in San Diego you oughta do Legoland!" Kate announces. Or, Carlsbad. Whatever.

The nice people at Legoland let the children into their new totally awesome aquarium. It has fish and little Lego scuba divers and cool stuff like that. Most things are built down low so that it's incredibly kid friendly. It's not even open to the public yet. I hope someone explained to the kids what an incredible privilege it is to have a private advanced viewing of an exhibit like this. I hope they don't break it. These kids are destructive. I really fear for these kids when eventually they realize first, that one day they will have to stand in line for maybe hours for this stuff, and two, they will actually have to pay for it and that a lot of parents will probably say sorry honey not this time. Maybe if we get a coupon someday.

Poor Aaden's having a tummy ache. Maybe God is punishing him? Nope, Kate attributes this to not eating organically. Oh for Christ sake. Okay, then I'm gonna attribute it to the stress of having his entire two weeks of his what was meant to be relaxing vacation filmed 24/7. Two different opinions. Both equally possible I think!

Coming up! More amusement park fun/spending money.

We're back. Finally it's their last day in San Diego. I hope to God everyone has adjusted to the three hour time difference by now. They head over on their private shuttle to Wild Animal Park. At the park some nice park lady is taking them around on another shuttle.

I think it's really funny that Aaden says his favorite animal is a dragon. That's not even a real animal, cutie pie. The park lady seems like she's thinking, um, well, not sure if I can show you that one. What a cute child.

The park lady does her best to educate the family about the various animals, but no one really listens, not surprisingly. They're on vacation. This is no time to learn!

Another park lady gives the family a private viewing of a bunch of smaller animals. There's a super cute owl and the kids are getting a lot better at petting gently compared to other animals parks we've seen them at in the past.

The lady brings out a really tired, shy springhass, which looks like a bunny and a kangaroo had sex. Seriously. It's creepy.

The kids want to know why the springhass is so shy. "Don't you like a little privacy?" the park lady asks. Ha, I almost think she might have read GWOP at one point the way she said that.

"Yes!" Kate cries. Oh, gimme a break, Kate. If privacy is an issue, you're welcome at any time to turn the cameras off. Lord knows there are plenty of us who have been asking you to do that for over a year now.

Some people have claimed on the boards that Mady said, "But we never get it!" in response to the comment about privacy. My closed caption doesn't know. I honestly can't really hear for sure what Mady said. But I'm sure it was something snarky and awesome. I love those smart-mouthed twins. Their parents deserve it.

They bring out a little alligator. Alexis is truly THRILLED. It's so adorable. And her parents actually appreciate her pure joy, which is nice.

Finally the day is done, and they have to get back to the hotel and pack for Hawaii. They thank Paradise Point, which just reaffirms to me that they paid for everything.

This was a nice trip, I guess. Expensive of course, completely unnecessary, but nice. There were a few moments where Kate and Jon were good parents, involved and engaged and happy. And not to be outdone, there were many more moments where they were back to their ridiculous selves. I still can't believe we're not in Hawaii yet.

Coming up, allegedly we finally get to Hawaii, but I'm not banking anything on it.

Submitted by Dew.

Legos and Safaris- November 3

During a sponsored Hawaii trip, the Gosselins make a stopover in San Diego, California to visit Legoland and the San Diego Zoo. (60 minutes)

Missing Persons!

"We have enough people in our family now for a whole wedding party."

Indeed the Gosselin family may have to play host to it’s own wedding -- and be its guests as well. Time after time, we’ve seen folks join the show as “helpers,” only to be discarded after a few months. Even in not-for-profit industries, the average lifespan of a volunteer is 18 months! Yet, the best the Gosselins seem to be able to come up with are some island folks who haven’t had the misfortune to incur the Wrath of Mommy Dearest.

Below is a body count of folks who have accidently given Kate a wire hanger!

Kate's Parents (Charlene and Kenton Kreider)
Location: PA
Missing Since: Before the show started
Status: Banned due to an outpouring of mismatched clothing and second hand furniture; inability to "know how to help."

Uncle Kevin (Kate's brother)
Location: PA
Missing since: Emptying potties and taking care of 12 (TWELVE) sick children!
Status: Banned because the sick children weren’t placed on the laundry room floor

Aunt Jodi
Location: PA
Missing since: Hairplugs episode
Status: Skidded on the outs during Gumgate

Ashtyn, Braeden, Alyssa and Baby Benny (Kevin and Jodi’s kids)
Location: PA
Missing since: Hairplugs episode
Status: Casualty of Gumgate

Clairissa (Kate's sister), Robert and Reagan
Location: PA
Missing since: Clarissa seemingly out of contact. G’kids don’t seem to have contact with C’ son. Forced to choose between Gosselins or parents
Status: Waiting for God to give a sign

Jeff and Kendra (Kate's sister), Dale and Christen (Kate's sister), Mark and Tom (Jon's brothers), Pamela and Albert (Jon's mother and stepfather)
Location: Unknown
Missing since: Unknown
Status: Unknown

Kate’s brother-in-law (Jeff)
Location: Unknown
Missing since: Painting the Pepto Bismol bedroom
Status: Last seen stepping into a Hazmat shower. Never came back out.

Bob, Beth (BFF), Kayla, Brittany, Bryce, Taliah Carson
Location: PA
Missing since: 2007 after Bob gave Jon a “job” and Beth wrote the book
Status: Banned after Utah trip and after the book went to press

Carla & kids
Location: Unknown
Missing since: Carla seen on rare occasions -- perhaps she’s kept busy with a can of bathroom cleaner at night. Or perhaps she’s picking up stray bits of rose bushes that have been chopped haphazardly by huge garden shears. Children missing since twin’s bedroom episode
Status: On hiatus

Susan (baby sitter)
Location: Unknown
Missing since: Jon’s 30th birthday trip to FL Keys
Status: Mentioned rarely

Nana Janet (baby sitter)
Location: Unknown
Missing since: Oprah trip
Status: Last seen folding

Nana Joan (baby sitter)
Location: Unknown
Missing since: July 4th Parade
Status: Suspected of hijacking Kate’s hotdog and is on the lam!

Helper Beverly (ironer)
Location: Unknown
Missing since: Laundry day became Jon and Kate, the kids and the crew
Status: Stuck in the spin cycle

Old Church
Location: PA
Missing since: Quality donations/helpers declined
Status: Abandoned

Church Speaking Engagements
Location: Nationwide
Missing since: More money requested
Status: Thrown a bone now and then

(Note: Tito has been removed, due to misunderstandings. There is a joke that apparently not everyone has read, that was posted and went back to Tito Jackson and other "missing" TV characters. It in no way was this intended to relate at all to the seventh egg sac/fetus that failed to develop. No such meaning would ever be intended here and we are sorry that anyone was offended.)

Blog changes

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More spin and damage control on CBN (the 700 Club) - October 30

According to CBN (the 700 Club), Jon and Kate (plus the kids) will be on. Tell us what you think-- what messages did you hear from this family?

Now THAT'S Impressive!

Man, I just can’t get enough of this place! Stunning, indeed.

I can almost picture the Gosselin kids sledding through the snow in that massive backyard. Little Aaden could have all kinds of animals housed in that barn to keep him delightfully occupied. That pool! They couldn't possibly keep Cara and Mady out of it!

Would you get a load of that driveway? That driveway looks like it was MADE to be the perfect spot for Kate to plant her four dollar white plastic lawn chair at the top of that big old hill and survey her little Queendom, high above the residents of Berks County, just where she belongs.

Wow. Just, wow. They really should look into it.

Want a closer look? Sure you do...

House slideshow here.

Katie Irene on the Bonnie Hunt Show- Oct 28th

Kate is taking time out from being EXHAUSTED to shill on Bonnie Hunt's show. Tell us how you feel about it!

Recap: Prep for Hawaii

Submitted by Dew

On this episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8! Shockingly, they're going on another free trip to Hawaii. Hawaii?! Dang! Looks like some major damage control between Kate and Joel, and Kate gets a free drop-dead gorgeous wedding dress.

While I'm watching the credits, how is everyone's 401(k)'s doing? Because mine- not so hot. But Suzy Orman insists I should stay the course… I'm trying, Suzy, but it's hard. Now is certainly not the time for most of us to be making any major purchases I would think, especially not our dream houses.

Despite quite obviously having a personal stylist now, Kate's hair is truly horrendous. Oh, it's gone way past reverse mullet or a hyena's butt, as others have described it so well. It's reverse mullet, hyena's butt, and Venus fly trap meet my puppy's dog bed when I haven't washed it in three weeks. It's really embarrassing to look at, but that's okay because I don't enjoy looking at this woman anyway.

It's one week before their big trip to Hawaii, and Kate and Jon gather the kids together to watch home movies of their wedding.Kate says they wanted to go to Hawaii for their first wedding (with what money?), but then she blames her family members for not wanting to fork over the dough to actually fly out there for it. Wow, that is really God awful of those people, not wanting to spend three or four or five grand to haul their Pennsylvanian butts to Hawaii for Jon and his special new wife Kate. Don't they like warm weather? I would estrange them too. So because nobody could, or maybe didn't want to, go all the way out to Hawaii, they settled for having an absolutely gorgeous positively romantic storybook wedding at some castle/mansion looking place. Poor them.

Personally, I hope I would be a little embarrassed to even ask my family to make a sacrifice like that for my wedding. Weddings already put such a financial burden on your family in the first place, between the gifts and buying a new dress/suit for it and possibly even helping to pay for it as Jon's family verifiably did, I hope I would hold my tongue and not ask for something that outrageous. Also my boyfriend mentioned cost of chipping in for a stripper, too, plus tip. Not that he would EVER have that at his bachelor party, baby. So yeah, weddings are expensive for your family even on a small scale.

The wedding video shows a picture of Jon when he was maybe about eight. Aww, he's adorable! He looks just like Mady, only with a Moe Howard bowl cut. I would really love to see Moe poke Kate in the eyes--boing! I digress....The expression on eight-year-old Jon's face is so innocent. Little boy has no idea what he is destined for, castration by shrew. Kate says they were "thinking" and "dreaming" of going to Hawaii for a long time. They most likely also did a lot of massive hinting, to anyone and everyone who remotely had any connections to Hawaii, and finally some unsuspecting hotel caught on and offered them a free getaway. Kate says the trip just "appeared." Well, give me a magic wand and call me a fairy. What a stupid thing to say, a thousand-dollar free trip just appeared, and way to discount how hard everyone worked to put it together for all of them. It appeared, or was pieced together meticulously and given to them, handed to them on a silver platter, because she has splashed her eight wonderful children who deserve better than this all over our television sets for going on four years now and pretty much most likely set them up for a lifetime of issues. So yes in that sense, the trip did appear. But hey, at least they're getting to go to Hawaii!

Two minutes in and I'm already super annoyed.

Like cherry on a sundae of poo, Kate also says, "You don't have to ask us twice!" Why do I feel like she's saying that with the intent to annoy people who can't stand her? I have to admit it's working. I could write a dissertation on why she needs to say no to most of this stuff, but everyone else has already covered it so extensively on this blog and I couldn't add much more to it, so I won't bore you.Anyway, at least Hawaii should be mildly interesting. I don't really know much about that state. Most of what I know is from watching Dog the Bounty Hunter. He has cute little kids too, but we rarely if ever see them on camera. Dog makes Hawaii kind of seem like all it is a bunch of Samoan meth heads and their co-signer mothers who lie about their whereabouts, but I'm sure it's actually a very lovely place. I guess I'd like to go, but like most Americans I really can't afford something like that in this kind of economy. Maybe someday...

Jon's shirt says "No worry, beef curry." At first I thought it said No worry, be Kate. Which didn't make sense to me at all. Why would anyone want to be Kate? And you should be really worried if you do. I had to Google that phrase since I've never heard it, and apparently it's sort of something they say in Hawaii for some reason. Pidgin speak for no worries. Maybe a tour guide will explain it further, but I'm guessing Kate will complain about how boring the tour is and tune out before he gets to that point. I'm glad I figured this out right away, because I spent half a year wondering why Dog the Bounty Hunter was calling all his clients a brassiere until I found out that "bra" means "brother" in Hawaii speak. I don't think I'm really that well-suited for the Aloha state, but it would still be nice to visit.

Kate explains to the kids that she and Jon are going to get married again. If Kate can correct Jon, I'm going to correct Kate. Getting remarried means you're marrying someone else. Renewing your vows means you're marrying the same person again. Since I can't imagine anyone else who would marry into this madness, her only choice here is to renew her vows. But she keeps getting it wrong, over and over. I want Jon to correct her so bad, but he's never been like that. Guys usually aren't.Kate keeps making little digs at her first wedding and how she wasn't happy with it. It's super obvious, and super bitchy, too. She kind of makes it sound like the person with the purse strings, which obviously wasn't her, put their foot down on a few things, such as going to Hawaii, and Kate got all offended. How incredibly childish. If you don't like how the wedding is going at the mansion, you're welcome to throw your own wedding down at the Fire Hall on 5th and Main on your own dime. See how your photos look over there with the harsh fluorescent lighting and the coffee makers and folding tables in the background and the Mr. Mix-a-Cheapo D.J. running the thing (and who has only remotely good songs in his repertoire, such as "I Will Survive" and "Best for Last." )

Kate says they can't wait to have their own wedding with just them present and no one telling them what to do. Yee-ouch! Where is Moe? Poke this bitch. Kate assures the kids a wedding means she and Daddy are going to stay together forever. Jon kind of says nothing.Kate explains that they didn't want to do the whole six hour time change in one setting. Instead they'll break it up in San Diego so they can do three and three. I actually think that will just make it harder, because instead of just getting it over with at once, sleeping it off and be done with it, they'll have to go through it twice. The reality is I think the producers just wanted to scrounge up some things for them to do on the way to really drag this all out. Incidentally, I'm disappointed we're not in Hawaii yet. At this rate I don't think we're even going to make it to the airport before the episode is over. So now we have an entire episode just talking about going there, like so many episodes that have come before it and that I've even recapped before. So boring and so arrogant, too.

Kate says once again she wants to show the kids that she and Jon are always going to be together. Jon once again says nothing. Heh.Kate smothers Joel with kisses and tells him he's going to be a great husband. I think he will be, too, despite his mother and his dysfunctional childhood. And if he moves to certain states he can even marry another man since Jon and Kate seemed convinced he swings that way. Joel loves this affection; he is beaming and hugs Kate back so tightly. He needs so much more of this kind of thing to even begin to make up for all the rejection he's been through.Kate goes into a long explanation about how they wrote their own vows for their first wedding and are going to do it for the renewal too. In Jon's vows he says he promises to stand by Kate's side as they face "new and challenging experiences," such as day long photo shoots and filming schedules, freebies, tummy tucks, hair plugs, and selling their children's photographs to strangers for 20 bucks apiece. Kate remarks how prophetic it all was. Jon describes it as "scary." Yeah, uh, I'm gonna go with scary.

Most of the kids want to sit with Jon on the airplane, big surprise. But probably because Kate has thrown Joel a bone by giving him a few kisses earlier, he pushes all his chips in and tells Mommy he wants to sit next to her on the plane. Kate showers him with more hugs and makes a big show of it for the cameras. I'm trying not to label every nice thing she does as damage control, but this so obviously is. Especially when she goes on to explain how much they love Joel and fight over him. Since when? Kate claims they covet him. Covet? Hey, Cleopatra, I thought you're supposed to covet things like you're neighbor's wife, not your son. Weird. Anyway, she explains that it's not that she loves Joel for who he is and the special and unique and adorable personality he has, but that thou shalt love him because he's quiet on airplanes and just sits there like a zombie. Joel has apparently learned it's better just to lay low and not bug Kate with anything. That was my strategy at one of my old jobs with my crazy possibly schizoid boss, and it worked quite nicely to survive until I could quit. Unfortunately Joel can't quit Kate, but he's a good little traveler in any case I guess.

For good measure, Kate also makes it clear she hates sitting with Alexis. Oh geez, she is your child. Someone has to sit with her, and it's gonna be either you or Jon. I find out later that the nanny is coming along, so never mind, they can just pass Alexis off on her. Psyche! Coming up, Say Yes to the Dress! Say No to the Shrew! The show recaps Kate's brief stint on the TLC show Say Yes to the Dress. And I'd like to point out that show crossovers are one of my top four reasons why I think shows usually jump the shark, or stop being good anymore. The others are same role different actor, getting married, and having a baby. Well, they're getting married in this episode, so two out of three. And they've mentioned they want to adopt a baby, so I say that counts. All they need to do is replace Joel with Dakota Fanning's little brother and they're officially sunk. This whole boring thing has already been recapped before on the blog, so I refer you over there if you want to relive it. The mini-recap is Kate gets a brand new thousand dollar dress, and is super ungrateful.

Up next, Kate tortures Mady-and not just by being Kate!

We're back. It's the day before the trip. This has all gotten so boring both Jon and Kate sound like they already took their Dramamine for the long flight. Yawn, Jon tells the kids to clean their room, Kate brushes the girls' hair. Hannie can't even reach her long mane to brush it all, so it ends up just getting half brushed. They think this is cute and funny. I think it is ridiculous and not cute at all. I hope she gets lice and has to get a buzz cut. Okay, okay, I don't really wish harm on the child, but I do wish someone would cut her hair.Kate is giving all the little girls pedicures. Kate tells Mady they have to get up at five in the morning tomorrow. "Waa!" Mady replies. It sucks, but somebody's got to get up early or there would be no one to go on nice trips ever again! Waa! Kate has all the supplies for pedicures because they always give "you" a bag of pedicure stuff when you leave. They…do? Not at any place I've been to. Maybe a free foot cream sample but an actual full on do-it-yourself pedicure kit? I have a feeling that was another freebie, and Kate is either pretending it wasn't or just really stupid and out of touch.Kate is filing and buffing Mady's cute little toes like she's reaping wheat. I hope we see some sheaves stacked up by the time she's done to show for it. Mady says ouch, and Kate snaps that she's never heard anyone whine and complain like this. She cannot resist yet another dig at her family.

She says if her mom had taken the time to give her a pedicure at this age she would have sat for four hours, implying once again her mom didn't do anything for her. Maybe she didn't, who knows, although one really has to wonder when not just Kate's mom has disappeared, but so has her dad, most of Jon's extended family, Beth, Beth's kids, Nana Janet, Carla, Carla's daughter, Jodi, Jodi's kids, Uncle Kevin, the rest of Kate's siblings, and I'm sure I'm missing several but you get the idea. Kate has so many relationship issues I think she's going to explode, and she's passing them right on down to her children. Nice.I'm just going to add that when you hear one person's side of the story about an estrangement, as we have Kate's, but you haven't heard a word from the other side, her mother, I think you have to at minimum err on the side of giving the other person the benefit of the doubt. Until I hear her mother's side, and she's certainly under no obligation to speak out, Kate's not going to ever get me to assume this was all her mother's fault and not Kate's, too.

Moving on.

They packed seven suitcases, two wardrobe bags, and several carry ons. I feel like I've seen this episode before. Oh yeah, it was called Plane Ride to Utah. I'm going to skip it since it's just the same old boring blah blah. You can watch it yourself if you really want to watch this drivel. The only thing that's interesting is her wedding dress was shipped directly from New York. Wow. We see that Kate is still undermining Jon just like the good ole days. He's telling one of the little girls to get in the house. Kate warns him to "be patient with them." Is Kate for real here? She thinks so.

Coming up, Alexis is super cute. She's like a little Asian leprechaun. She will even lead her parents to a pot of gold!

Jon got up at 4 a.m. on the day of the trip. Alexis is wide awake and cheerful and ready to go and totally adorable. "It's me!!!" she says, pointing to her chest. Aw, yes it is, Lexi!Aaden scurries over to the garbage can with what honestly looks like a pair of underwear and throws it in the garbage. That's weird. Did he have a little accident? Poor little guy. Kate is absolutely nowhere to be found, I am sure she is sleeping in until the last minute, and Jon is too busy getting ready to go, so there's really no one to help him.They're all stepping into their cute little crocs. I actually like crocs, I don't think they're ugly at all like some people do, but I've heard they can actually be really dangerous like getting stuck in escalators and stuff. Eek.Does TLC think we don't watch these episodes?

This is getting hysterical. Not three or four episodes ago Kate explained that the reason everyone who loved them, or rather the kids, the most, like Beth and Jodi, were no longer in their lives was because they didn't really need helpers anymore and wanted to kind of do things themselves now. If Beth and Jodi are reading this, I wish you were still in the kids' lives. They need you.Anyway! Kate conveniently changes her tune so she can bring her nanny along and dump Alexis on her when she gets difficult. "We can't still travel without at least one helper," Kate explains in weird syntax. Jon, correct her! He won't though.

Once again a casual observer might think a free trip to Hawaii would be any nanny's dream, but I can assure you this will be all work and no sunbathing for poor Jenny, and I feel very sorry for her. Good luck with that one. Here's hoping she at least gets her own bed, but I'm not counting on it.Jon said they just need to brush their teeth, put shoes on and "brush the little girls' hair." "DO the little girls' hair," Kate corrects. Utterly unnecessary, and that Kate, is why Joel McHale over at Talk Soup predicts this show will soon be renamed, "Jon Minus Nine!" It's a really good thing you no longer need your spouse to consent to divorce, because if you did, Jon would never get one. Ever. The truth of the matter is Jenny is actually doing the little girls' hair, so Kate didn't even have to do that.

Are we supposed to feel like it's all very hectic and busy? Because I sure don't. Not feeling the drama at all. The bus comes to pick them up at five, and still no sign of Kate. On the couch, she can't even take talking about the bus coming so early, and is yawning. I really think Jon carried her to the bus, tucked her in, and handed Kate her coffee. Joel apparently took some time over this week to really ponder his decision to sit with Kate on the plane, and wisely realized he blurted that out under the influence of his mother cuddling and kissing him and was not thinking clearly. Never make important decisions like that under those circumstances. He has since remembered she's not actually normally that kind and cool around him, and has changed his tune. He now tells Jon he wants to sit with him. Jon, to his credit, tells Joel no he's a traitor and he needs to sit with Mommy. I think Jon actually doesn't want to hurt Kate's feelings here. Because as much as she laughs it off, it must hurt Kate just a little bit that the children never want to sit with her and almost always prefer Jon. Not saying she doesn't bring it on herself, but still, that must hurt. Kate doesn't just accept this though, she has to go accuse Jon of being mean to him, and now Jon is totally justified in calling Kate out. He TRIED to be nice to her and brush this aside and not hurt her feelings. She wouldn't let him. He tells her straight up she butters Joel up and might as well have a bag of Hershey kisses with her. He's doing that thing where he's half joking, half serious. I love it.

A small part of me still feels sorry for Kate that her own children aren't that crazy about her. I think deep down a lot of her behavior is overcompensating for all these shortcomings. That's not even the half of it, I think it's a whole HOST of things, but this is just one side issue contributing to her behavior, I think. Jon talks about using the camping lanterns they recently bought, or rather bought with TLC's credit card, to load the bus in the dark. We spend a ridiculous amount of time talking about this. Mady and Cara are grumps, (How dare they! It's only five a.m.), and everyone piles into the bus.

Next up, a side trip to San Diego, America's most economical vacation spot where you really can't beat the gas prices.

Prep for Hawaii- Oct 27

Jon and Kate and all eight kids are off to see the beauty of Hawaii- a perk of the "family job". Kate stresses during the packing process and she takes advantage of even more publicity by choosing a ridiculous dress for her renewal of vows ceremony.

Making the Rounds

What is this, the third or fourth television program Jon and Kate have been featured on in the past week or two? They better hope they don't suffer overexposure.

Free Discussion 10/25-10/31

For discussion on the Gosselins where you don't see a more appropriate home for comments.

Two Posters, One Idea

We recently received both of these comments, just days apart. These sentiments are shared by many, so it seemed the right time to share them in a post.


Submitted by themrs and Pattilynn

SEVEN potties! That MIGHT cover it.

Why would the Gosselins want to move to North Carolina when there are simply gorgeous properties like this located right in Pennsylvania that could be perfectly suitable for them?

"Incredible homestead on 24 acres. Top of the line Craft Maid kitchen w/viking stove & Subzero ref.,cherry floors throughout first floor. Beautiful views,privacy and great entertaining areas. Lower level finished w/fireplace and bath. 24,000 gal. Carlton pool w/hot tub. First floor owners suite app. 800 sq.ft. 10 fenced acres, 4 stall bank barn with new siding, roof, electric & water. In-law or caretaker suite w/kit., BR, LR, BA 800 sq. ft add. Sep. heat and security. **Land is "NOT" able to be sub-divided"!"

Editor's Note:

Oh, drats! Our little linky-dinky up there seems to be experiencing some technical difficulties all of a sudden today. Strange.

Here, I just don’t want anyone to miss taking a gander at this lovely home.

Good thing I saved all those thumbnails.

Being Grateful

I wish she would just take a moment and look around.... I will try not to repeat what has been said a million times on here, but I feel the need after watching this show for the last 4 seasons, to get something off my back and off my mind.

I really wish that Kate Gosselin would take a moment to breathe, look around, and appreciate the little world she has created for herself. Yes, she has mentioned in brief little moments her thanks for this or that. But I don't think that she is really truly taking the time to realize how great she has it. As much as this woman disturbs the crap out of me, I honestly don't think that her intentions in the beginning were to live off the exploitation of her family or to throw the world's biggest pity party for having so many children.

However, I do think that, slowly, over time, everything just simply went to her head. Just like some people are pre-programmed all along to become drug addicts, and are just waiting for that first hit to send them off into the land of addiction. Some people, like Kate, are just pre-programmed to let themselves become completely engulfed in a life of fame, and cannot stop themselves from wanting more and more once they have gotten a taste of the good life. We see this all the time in celebrities. Once they see what their fame can give them, they expect nothing less. They now see themselves as above everyone else and literally believe that they DESERVE all the things given to them.

We clearly see that in Kate. We witness it all the time... how deserving she thinks she is. I honestly think she has become addicted to getting things handed to her, whether it be from do gooders with a big heart, or corporations who see the benifit of seeing the Gosselin kids using/playing with their products on a popular TV show.

Kate is now living like a kid in a candy store. She sees something she wants, or a trip she wants to take, and BAM... she knows exactly how to get it for free now. It's become very simple to her and I think the idea of all of this one day coming to an end is frightening. And that is why she cannot bring herself to end this show, no matter what kind of problems it may be causing for her children. Just like a junkie will put drugs before their kids, Kate is putting her hunger for more and more material things in front of her children's happiness.

And for two parents who do not work and who have accumulated all this wealth from the show, you'd think that they would be doing a lot more good for others. Maybe just pay it forward to families in the same situation as theirs. I mean we all know that she isn't the only woman in the world with a lot of kids, or with several sets of multiples, and it saddens me to see that she is the only one who gets such major benifits because of it. I think it would be awesome to see her help out those other families by either giving them some of her freebies or by giving those parents one of their free vacations.

I am a parent of one child, and my husband and I have struggled for a very very long time and never seem to be getting any further. I won't go into detail of our situation cause I don't want to sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself. But the people around me and in my life have helped us out as best as they can (whether it be by helping us buy groceries once in a while, or giving my child hand me down clothes). It's not free vacations and it's not clothes from Gymboree, but am I ever thankful for every single bit of it. And, to tell you the truth, I could not even begin to live with myself if I didn't try to pay it forward in some way. If I can volunteer at a shelter's kitchen, donate what I can to charity, or watch someone's kid so their parents can look for a job, then Kate and Jon Gosselin can do SOMETHING too to give back for all they have recieved. And I really hope that one day they see that they don't need so much useless material things in order to be happy, and that Kate doesn't have to put on this show of perfect, spotless, high fashion wearing children in order to prove something to the world. No mother is perfect, and recognizing your faults as a mother is what helps you grow to be a better one.

Kate and Jon, please just look at the world we are living in and the people around you. It's not so easy for everyone, and the day you accept that you and your family can be happy just loving each other, being silly together, and just being yourselves will be the day you find true happiness.

Written by Sasha