What Did Me In

Submitted for publication via email by Open Eyes.

When this show first hit the airwaves, I was ecstatic. I had watched every special when they aired and I was so impressed with the family and how they were able to manage eight kids all under the age of five. I waited with high hopes for the show to air, and when it finally did I had mixed feelings at first. ... continued

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Serena said...

WHAT DID ME IN
Submitted for publication via email by Open Eyes.

When this show first hit the airwaves, I was ecstatic. I had watched every special when they aired and I was so impressed with the family and how they were able to manage eight kids all under the age of five. I waited with high hopes for the show to air, and when it finally did I had mixed feelings at first.

In the beginning credits, Kate was featured telling Jon to “help the kids” and then screams her infamous “HELLLO!”-- it made me shiver a bit, but I was willing to overlook it for the sake of seeing this family in action. I made excuse after excuse after excuse for (mostly Kate’s) behavior that just wouldn’t fly in the setting that I was brought up in. Although the kids always seemed happy and well behaved, I often wondered what that kind of attitude would do to them as they were growing. However, like I said, I was willing to overlook it and continue watching the show.

Shortly after I started watching the show, I found the infamous Facebook group of “Jon and Kate Plus 8”. I lurked around in the shadows for a while but then began making comments here and there about the family. Mostly everything was positive and the show went on as normal, which was just fine for me.

Then the Jodi story broke…. And oh boy did the you know what hit the fan. Being a “loyal” member of the group, I fought against the story tooth and nail. I was sure that whoever “Julie Brown” was just wanted her 15 minutes of fame and I defended J+K to the bitter end. But secretly, I think I always knew that what Julie was saying was, in fact, true. I ignored these feelings though, cast them aside -- all I was focused on was trying to make these “rumors” out to be just that, rumors. It took me a few weeks to realize what I was doing was wrong. I apologized to Julie and, although I still wasn’t completely convinced that Jon and Kate were all that bad, Julie was extremely understanding of my position, as I was of hers.

The “Jodi incident” wasn’t what did me in with the group though -- oh no, it got better. It seemed that just when the group would get back to the calm lull that I enjoyed, someone would come out of the woodworks with the same message of only speaking positively about Jon and Kate and that anyone who didn’t wasn’t a “real fan.” My view on that had changed quite a bit by that time -- if you are going to consider yourself a “true” ANYTHING, then you have to look at every angle of the situation, not just the ones that are tied up in a pretty pink ribbon. Up until that point, I had had a very big love/ hate relationship with the GWoP blog -- there were some posts that I had to shake my head and agree with, and there were others that just seemed to be so mean because they seemed intent on only pointing out the bad of what “Jon and Kate were doing” -- but after today I have come to the conclusion that everyone has their own way of looking at things which is OKAY. In the end, if we do not share our views about anything, then what does this world come to?

What truly did me in with following the show as closely as I did was the overeager fans -- the people who either think that Jon and Kate can do no wrong or that whatever we see on TV is good enough and it should begin and end there and for anyone else that looks into any other avenues is wrong. I’m sorry… I just can’t go along with it anymore. If you find out that your favorite food may have been laced with poison, wouldn’t you want to find out about it and learn more about the poison? I was shocked to see how quickly people will turn from being kind and sweet people, to suddenly unleashing on you the second you may begin to question Jon and Kate. Yes, this is a T.V. show -- I am well aware of that, but we are talking about living, breathing adults and children here! If you are going to call yourself a fan then you should be able to “handle” the good and bad aspects of everything, and then decide from there.

The perfectly square image of the Gosselins, in my opinion, has been pulled and ripped apart, and that is not because of “fans” -- it is because of the Gosselins themselves. However, what truly scares me is the fact that the people who call themselves “fans” are so willing to overlook the bad aspects because they “do not want to hear about it.” Well, I hate to say it, but just because you don’t want to hear about it, doesn’t mean that it is not there. One day reality will catch up to everyone that is involved in all aspects of this and my honest hope and prayer is that the children will not be too emotionally hurt in the end.

BK said...

I agree. But, actually, I think it goes farther. If you are truly a fan of the Gosselin family, then that means you are partially responsible for the phenomena. If you see no wrong in what they do, and defend their right to do it, then you're condoning it. The truth is, most people seeing a child walking around a furniture, CRYING in OBVIOUS pain and discomfort would be livid. I really think the production company and Kate pushed the limits of abuse with that one. When should the crew step in and say, "right...we're not filming this anymore. Let's come back and get it tomorrow because this child is so clearly not okay."?? If you stood around and filmed that, then you should be ashamed of yourself. If you defended Kate sitting on her ass, drama queening over a BUNK BED catalogue, then you're saying that that baby was treated right when you know he wasn't. If you have to manually disimpact your son, then there's a problem. As a nurse, Kate should've known that. Most adults get sedation before a nurse will stick a finger up their buts for a disimpaction because it hurts like hell and can cause a vaso-vagel reaction. But, Kate was totally cool about JON doing the procedure with a PLASTIC BAG (where had that been?) and another sibling watching on the floor of a van's trunk. Sorry - that's not right.

Anonymous said...

OPEN EYES?

So many people have accused GWoP and other sites critical of the Gosselins of being so rabid and mentally ill that we were capable of stealing the kids away to protect them!
But the fact of the matter is that statistically, its the UBERFANS that don't wanna hear the truth no matter what, that in the end turn on the "star" and hurt them.
Selena, John Lennon, Rebecca Shaffer, Bjork, David Spade, Brad Pitt, Jodie Foster, Versace etc.
All Killed, Hurt, or Stalked by FANS who "just wanted to be closer or were hurt by something the star had done after years and years of being very very loyal fans".
Its the people who cant see reality that once it hits them they fall hard.
In Germany stars are presented as 2 separate people. In photos of Madonna in her lingere and bustiers up on stage they say "Madonna, Als Schauspielerin" (As Entertainer) and in photos of her jogging in NYC, "Madonna in privat" or Madonna als selbst" (in private or as herself) ...In America the line is blurred so people watching Tv cant separate the tv life from the private and in the case of the Gosselins, the Tv studio wants it to stay blurred so they can feed you a stream of goods all on the backs of real children.
The sad thing here is that the Uberfans want the truth to go away so they can get back to watching the very show that is exploiting the very kids they claim to LOVE SO MUCH, so in this case they are already loving too much...

Im glad Open Eyes and Nadia love the kids in a healthier way.

Anonymous said...

I was thinking today what Supernanny Jo would make of the Gosselin household. It would be interesting if there was a "Jon and Kate Plus 8 Special: Supernanny to the Rescue!" Of course even if that were to happen it would be in coordination with TLC's new "Take Home Nanny" (wasn't the 'nanny show' craze a looong time ago?) Anyway, they appear to be too insecure and controlling to take parenting advice (but they are A-ok dishing it out).

Kristee said...

Well said. I'm not sure there is anything J $ K can do now to clean up their image. As far as I'm concerned the only responsible thing would be getting their family off TV, getting the crew outta the house and letting their kids have a taste of privacy. With 40 or 50 more episodes in progress we can be sure there will lots more shows where the Kons embarrass their kids, kick more family outta their lives and gather more vacations for free.

I remember during one of the first specials Katie saying something to the effect " We wanted to do this because people want to know what's it's like being us, like peeking in our windows. We are giving people the chance to peek in our windows" I'm not sure of the exact wording but that's the gist of what she said. She had such a high opinion of herself back then it's amazing.

If J $ K could just sit on that damn couch of theirs and say something like "H E L L O, Jon and I never dreamed we'd live a life as cushy as this, but it's R life, and we scammed you all together" maybe it would be a start.

sabrinasmom said...

I'm not sure there is anything J $ K can do now to clean up their image.

I think getting rid of things they have said in the past is a good start (according to them). eg the removal of the Triplet Connection Posts.

In re-running the episodes with
edits, I wonder how far it will go. Trying to remove that material will truly be creative editing.

If J $ K could just sit on that damn couch of theirs and say something like "H E L L O, Jon and I never dreamed we'd live a life as cushy as this, but it's R life, and we scammed you all together" maybe it would be a start.

Yes at least that would be the truth. Not that it would ever happen, but I think even if it did, the "fans" would still think them to be inspirational.

Renee said...

It's always so surprising to me that people consider all this controversy "new." I know I just started watching the show this year but I've seen every episode including the first two specials and kate never seemed all that impressive or organized to me. When the kids were babies she seemed to like them but I always saw through her lies. I guess I just have a very finely tuned bullshit detector :)

LFWH said...

I had the same feelings as you did Open Eyes. I enjoyed the show and was impressed with the organization that Kate seemed so good at. I loved the Shopping for Ten episode most of all. But like you, her "hello!" grated on me in the opening. As the seasons progressed I saw less every day tasks and more "staged" tasks (like the cleaning assignments and the family mission statement).

I think was changed my mind about the show was when Kate talked about the grandparents not being in the children's lives. I was curious so I did some Internet searching and came across this site and others that all agreed in what really happened between Kate and her parents. Now with the million dollar house and Jon not working I see the forest through the trees. The nice but busy family has been replaced by a neuvo riche family that does not give back despite all that has been given to them.

Anonymous said...

"I really think the production company and Kate pushed the limits of abuse with that one."

I totally agree! Of all the episodes of J & K + 8 that have aired to date, I found the bed shopping episode to be the most difficult episode to watch. I found it equally disturbing that J & K agreed to and TLC condoned the continual filming and ultimate airing of a child in obvious pain and discomfort. Not only continued filming, but included a step by step narration by his father on how he manually assisted the removal of his son's impacted bowel in the back of a van in a business parking lot. IMO, TLC blatantly exploited Collin's pain for the purpose of entertainment! If ever an episode that IMO truly depicts the exploitation of these children, this is the episode!

Anonymous said...

Hospital: Egyptian woman gives birth to septuplets

4 boys and 3 girls

do i hear tlc running at this moment for the gosselin's replacement show?

this family gets free milk for 2 years

PurplRosez said...

I agree that the Gosselins may have crossed the line from filming their family's day-to-day life to "let people peek in their windows" to hamming it up for entertainment and a paycheck. BUT, in all honesty, can you blame them??? Here we all are, judging them, yet playing into the media's wildest dreams by CONTINUING TO WATCH THEIR SHOW! After all, all TLC is after is ratings. I truly believe that Jon and Kate initially agreed to the reality show as a way to document their children's lives, since they obviously didn't have the time (or energy) to do it themselves. However, I also believe that they've gotten to the point of continuing the series as a means of earning a living.

What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday? And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week? I can't say that I blame them for the choices that they've made.

As far as the way they speak to each other (granted, it's mostly the way Kate speaks to Jon that is under criticism), I think that just shows that we're getting a REAL glimpse into their daily lives. I would be willing to bet the farm that if any of us had camera crews around us 24 hours a day, we would be SHOCKED and APPAULED at the things the cameras caught us saying. Can any of us honestly say that nothing has ever come out of our mouths in a moment of frustration that we didn't wish we could take back? Kate's infamous, "Helllloooo?" aired continuously in the show's opening is very likely a moment she wishes she could take back. Can you honestly say you've never spoken to any of your loved ones in such a tone? I don't think that's any reason for harsh criticism, let alone reason enough for the subject of an online discussion thread.

As far as the impacted bowel movement of their son goes, I'm sure that Kate was not aware of the severity of the issue at the time. Again, can we all say with certainty that we've NEVER been so focused on something that we don't notice something of importance happening right in front of us? As a first grade teacher with 30 students, I can tell you that plenty of times I have been preoccupied with one situation while another (possibly more important) situation arises unbeknownst to me. It happens to the best of us.

I think that Jon and Kate were blessed with the family that they now have. If America decides that we want to give them their 15 minutes of fame, and the Gosselins decide that they want to take it, who are we to judge their decision? If someone offered me enough money to sustain a life and save enough money for all of my children to go to college, I would GLADLY accept it. I think you would, too. As viewers of their weekly show, none of us have any room to begrudge their decisions or actions.

~D~ said...

If someone offered me enough money to sustain a life and save enough money for all of my children to go to college, I would GLADLY accept it.

Would you do it at the expense of your children's privacy? Would you lie about how much money you've been given? Would you pull the wool over your loyal viewers' eyes and basically spit in their faces??

If so, you're sick.

Serena said...

If someone offered me enough money to sustain a life and save enough money for all of my children to go to college, I would GLADLY accept it. I think you would, too.

Well you're wrong. Not everyone is so unprincipled as to exploit their children in return for material perks. There is nothing "cute" or "entertaining" about this travesty that robs the Gosselin children of the privacy and dignity that we tend to view as a basic human birthright. It was wrong when the Dionne quintuplets were exploited and it's wrong now.

Here we all are, judging them, yet playing into the media's wildest dreams by CONTINUING TO WATCH THEIR SHOW! After all, all TLC is after is ratings.

I'm not a Nielsen family; my watching or not is completely immaterial to the success of the show. The only thing my watching does is keep me informed about which sponsors to complain to and what is being done to children who are being forced into work in the Reality TV industry with no laws to protect them. You can't fight what you don't know.

Open Eyes said...

I'm happy that everyone seems to be generally well receptive of my post. I was a little scarred to write it at first, but now I am glad that I did.

To PurplRosez- I think that the bad outways the good in the situation you are trying to point out. Yes J+K will be able to give the kids more in terms of physical things in the end, but at what cost to them emotionally or psychologically? They really haven't done a lot to EARN the things that have been given to them- there are others out there that DESERVE it....

ThreeFarmers said...

PurplRosez -- Your argument is one often used by people trying to justify poor behavior. Saying, "you would do it, too" acts like a safety blanket allowing people like you to get away with questionable behavior. In reality, you have no idea what myself or anyone else would do. I know that the Duggars have said that they have been offered a series in the past, but turned it down in favor of hour-long specials now and then. They have never allowed their children to be filmed while they were screaming in pain or going to the bathroom or in the shower. The Duggars had already purchased their land and had begun building their home (debt free mind you) before TLC came along. They make their own clothes (obvisouly) and shop at thrift stores, proving they don't take their blessings for granted. That in itself proves your theory wrong. Not everyone would do it.

Anonymous said...

Well said Open Eyes. This is along the same lines of what I have thought as well.

I tend to feel bad for the facebook group though, they tend to "turn on their own" when something is said that they do not go along with. Look at the thread "food for thought". It is pretty clear how rumors can get started, even by J+K's most loyal fans.

PurplRosez said...

D - I agree that Jon and Kate's choice to televise their family life has compromised their children's privacy. They have full camera crews in their home 3-4 days a week. However, the kids don't appear to be terribly bothered by that. In fact, they seem to have developed quite a rapport with the crew. Yes, as adolesents, they may not appreciate that their potty training moments were captured on film for the world to see; however, countless people tune in weekly to get parenting tips on just such topics.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see your other (rather overdramatic) points. I have watched every episode of J & K + 8 and have yet to see where they have lied. In the beginning, I don't doubt that they were paid a stipend for filming each episode. And rightfully so. That became obvious as Kate quietly quit her nursing work every other Saturday. And now it seems that Jon is either working from home, or not working at all. Have they blatantly lied about that? Have they come outright and said they are not collecting any money from filming their series? If so, I've never heard such claims. Are they required to be captured on film stating exactly how much money they make per episode? Are you required to go on public television stating exactly how much your salary is? No.

And, as a weekly viewer, I in no way feel that the Gosselins have ever "spit in my face." And I certainly don't believe that I'm "sick" for wanting to give my children all the advantages that money can buy in this world. Nor are Jon and Kate.

Serena said...

they may not appreciate that their potty training moments were captured on film for the world to see; however, countless people tune in weekly to get parenting tips on just such topics.

Parenting tips like how to potty train by forcing your child to sit on a potty in the dark until he performs? Or admitting to the viewers that your child is camera shy, then insisting that said child perform on the potty while the camera is in his face?

And now it seems that Jon is either working from home, or not working at all. Have they blatantly lied about that? Have they come outright and said they are not collecting any money from filming their series? If so, I've never heard such claims. Are they required to be captured on film stating exactly how much money they make per episode? Are you required to go on public television stating exactly how much your salary is?

One of the best ways to deflect an assertion is to ask a bunch of rhetorical questions as if that is sufficient to disprove the assertion.

Anonymous said...

That isn't the point Purplrosez- the point is that they are profitting from the show, but want you to think that they really aren't on the upswing. Their website about no fund for the kids college fund hasn't been changed, and we all know that there is- in fact- one set up.

I think that at the end of the day-people just want to know that the children will be taken care of and for by the money that they are making from the show... and even though that may be implied, it is not written in stone which is what people have the problem with.

PurplRosez said...

Serena - If you're so offended by the show, why do you still watch it? You say it's to "keep me informed about which sponsors to complain to and what is being done to children who are being forced into work in the Reality TV industry with no laws to protect them. You can't fight what you don't know." Do you watch every show on TV just to complain to the sponsors who advertise during them? If so, you've got quite a fight ahead of you. Admirable though it may be, fighting the content on public television seems to be a losing battle these days. I would love to return to the days of "Leave it to Beaver" and other such wholesome viewing, but the times, they are a changin'. As much as it stinks, reality TV is the face of the new era of TV. And there are child labor laws in place to protect child actors; however, as the Gosselin children are not "actors" there are not (to my knowledge) any laws protecting them. It is up to the decision of the parents. At least Jon and Kate have chosen to not have cameras around 24-7. Again I'll say that the children do not seem to be suffering from the exposure that the show is brining them. They seem no worse for the wear. If anything, Jon and Kate saw this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make a difference not only in their children's lives, but in the lives of many struggling parents who tune in weekly to be reassured that at least their lives aren't as hectic as the Gosselins' is. Where's the harm in that?

Serena said...

And I certainly don't believe that I'm "sick" for wanting to give my children all the advantages that money can buy in this world.

Strawman argument. Wanting advantages for your children is not what ~D~ called "sick". What ~D~ called "sick" was exploiting your children in exchange for those alleged advantages.

ThreeFarmers said...

PurplRosez -- People are upset because the Gosselin's continue to take cash donations from the public in the name of "love offering" implying that they are still struggling making ends meet. People are upset because they allow their children to be filmed during very personal, private moments... showering, going to the bathroom, suffering from an impacted bowel. People are upset because their filming schedule is very long. They are talking about 40 to 50 episodes for the new season... sitcoms generally film only 25 or so episodes a YEAR. People are upset because they made insulting (and very uninformed) remarks about the State of Pennsylvania. They made the comment about there being nothing to do in Pennsylvania except looking at silos when Pennsylvania is one of the most beautiful and historic states in the country. People are upset for many, many reasons.

What is sad is that I don't think anyone would mind the money they made if they would give back to the community that has given so much to them. They don't donate anything... no donation of used clothing that they got for free... They just keep crying poor mouth and taking all they can get.

Serena said...

Do you watch every show on TV just to complain to the sponsors who advertise during them?

If I can't change everything, I shouldn't bother changing anything?

Perhaps the tale of the starfish is relevant here:

One morning an elderly man was walking on a nearly deserted beach. He came upon a boy surrounded by thousands and thousands of starfish. As eagerly as he could, the youngster was picking them up and throwing them back into the ocean.

Puzzled, the older man looked at the young boy and asked, "Little boy, what are you doing?"

The youth responded without looking up, "I'm trying to save these starfish, sir."

The old man chuckled aloud, and queried, "Son, there are thousands of starfish and only one of you. What difference can you make?"

Holding a starfish in his hand, the boy turned to the man and, gently tossing the starfish into the water, said, "It will make a difference to that one!"

PurplRosez said...

Open Eyes - I don't disagree with you that there are a LOT of other families that deserve the special attention and gifts that the Gosselins are receiving. I guess my point is that, unfortunately, our society tends to focus on those special "pretty" families that will pull ratings in. An Anonymous writer pointed out (above) that an Egyptian woman gave birth to septuplets, and a TLC series is nowhere in the works. Sadly, we prefer to watch stories of the American dream. We like to see attractive people going about their daily lives. I'm not saying that's true for everyone, but it seems to hold true for the majority of Americans - hence the popularity of reality TV, paparazzi and tabloids. Many, many deserving families go by the wayside, unnoticed, everyday. However, many, many deserving families also receive support from their local churches and schools everyday. It's just that national cable television series are not made about them.

Ginny303 said...

PurplRosez.. Wrong is wrong whether its 12% or 85% of Good. She knew when she got up that morning that that poor lil guy was hurting (sick). They both knew he had been constipated for a couple of days. They knew at breakfast, they knew when they were getting them dressed, they knew in the Van on the way there. They Knew! But the show was more important. They cared more about the show and chose money over their own son. That is why this web site was formed because someone does care! People do value those precious little souls. Sad isn't it that it was not their own parents? What next will be more important, and to who's expense? You and I both know the answer to that! Not all wounds are visible, and those are the ones that run the deepest. Somehow someway all we want is to stop the internal bleeding!

SmartyQ said...

PurplRosez said As far as the impacted bowel movement of their son goes, I'm sure that Kate was not aware of the severity of the issue at the time. Again, can we all say with certainty that we've NEVER been so focused on something that we don't notice something of importance happening right in front of us?
How can you be sure? Have you thought that she should have been aware? Katie Irene was focused on a furniture catalog on a fabricated trip so they could get 22 minutes of usable film for what is billed as 'reality.' If Collin had been old enough to understand what his mother had done to him, I wouldn't blame him for going to the nearest orphanage and demanding to be admitted.

What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday?
Those who cherish their children and who pride themselves on being able to care for them.

And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week?

Dang it! I missed all of those trials. Katie Irene blathers about giving her children 'life experiences,' the only area in which she considers herself deficient. WDW is not a life experience nor is skiing in Utah, and they certainly aren't trials. A life experience is learning that there are things you cannot change, that you cannot affect the outcome. It may happen the first time you deal with the loss of something beloved, be it a grandparent, a pet or a favorite stuffed animal. A life experience is learning to play the hand dealt you with grace, humor and dignity. The only life experience to be found in freebies is the realization that nothing is free.

Amy said...

Again I'll say that the children do not seem to be suffering from the exposure that the show is brining them.

Oh please, those poor kids are ONLY 4 years old, they don't know any better! To say that they seem to not be suffering from the exposure is just ludicrous!

Anonymous said...

PurplRosez, this has been stated before by other people, but why should it be TLC, television, sponsors, society's responsibility to take care of those kids? Would it really be too much to expect these parents to work hard for their children's future? It's not as if John and Kate couldn't provide for their children if this reality show had never existed. They would be forced to do what everyone else does. Yes it would have been hard in the beginning with eight kids, but THEY made their choices and now it's up to juicy juice and others to support that choice? What happened to good old fashion hard work? People act as if families of 10 are unheard of. Also, you say that these children so not seem to be bothered or hurt by the cameras, and if it does seem like that, it might be due to the fact that they have grown up with nothing but cameras around them all of their life. Does it cross your mind that these children could possibly suffer from this after all is said and done and they get a chance to experience a REAL life? Seriously, Million Dollar Babies is a great watch and I highly recommend it to those who insist these kids won't feel a thing. Watch the movie and get back to me.

SB said...

purplrosez...

I have a problem with how family and friends have been treated. Jodi and Beth have given Kon's untold hours of free help, with love and kindness thrown it. Kon was making Jodi and Beth guardians of their children if something happened to them. THEY WERE THAT CLOSE. Why treat them like this?
Honestly, it is sick.

Little People Big World has had the same friends and family on since the start of the show. Why Kate acted like she did is a major insight into the kind of person she is.

Some say, she can have whoever she wants on her show. Fine. When you have a show and people watch, expect them to wonder when a large group of people go missing. Kon wanted people to watch and care about them. After all, that's how you get people to stay tuned every week. Now people care about Beth and Jodi, but Kon doesn't want us to. You can't have it both ways. Asking for attention, gets you just that, attention.

Also, I think you asked what have they done that is so wrong? I was a long time viewer with my children. I really believed them when they said they were saving for this (one on one trips, parents' clothes shopping trip, etc.) or that. They went out of their way to talk about budgeting for stuff. Then I find out it is all a big lie.

Little People Big World never say they are saving for this or that, why does Kon feel the need to lie? Because they don't want the love offerings and free gifts people send to stop flowing in.

When you lie to the public to take advantage of them, there will be a backlash.

I do not know Jon and Kate personally. I do not agree with some of the comments on this site. But, when Jodi and Beth went missing from the show, I wanted to know why. This is the first site I have ever blogged on (is that the right word?) in my life, cause frankly, I'm too busy.

But, Beth and Jodi loved those kids. Jodi is their aunt. Beth met Kate because, out of the kindness of her heart, she volunteered, like many others when the babies were born. Kate called her on the show my "best friend". They were there for Kon way before any TV show and with buckets of free help. It broke my heart that they were treated like that, by family no less!

Money did not stop Beth and Jodi from helping Kate, but money stopped Kate from keeping Beth and Jodi on their show.

I think viewers have a right to know what happened. After all, Kon invited us to the party. Once they end the party (stop the show), then we, as guests, will go home.

Also, please don't feel like I'm attacking you. I honestly feel used by Kon and that comes out when I write about them. I understand how you feel, but I just don't agree anymore.

bk said...

Purple Rose,
I want to address some of your comments in depth, so please excuse the length.

BUT, in all honesty, can you blame them??? Here we all are, judging them, yet playing into the media's wildest dreams by CONTINUING TO WATCH THEIR SHOW!
In all honesty, I can. I think what you're misunderstanding is the fact that none of us would be so judgemental if Jon and Kate showed us that the show is secondary on the priority list to their children's dignity or health. I'm not at all a Duggar fan, but I really do, in all honesty, understand that their story was one to be told and they took advantage of that. What's the difference, you ask? Simple: I've never seen JimBob or Michelle push a crying child away to look at a furniture catalogue. The Duggars would never allow their children to be filmed ACTUALLY POOPING or peeing on the toilet. And, despite the fact that I know other things go on in that house that I don't approve of, they know that their children are their responsibility. I can respect that. So...it's not as if we're all running around the internet dogging on any reality family that we can. Judgement is called for in some circumstances and I firmly feel this is one of them.

I truly believe that Jon and Kate initially agreed to the reality show as a way to document their children's lives, since they obviously didn't have the time (or energy) to do it themselves. However, I also believe that they've gotten to the point of continuing the series as a means of earning a living.

I just want to make sure I understand you correctly: it's suddenly okay for parents to make a living off the humiliation and lack of privacy for ten minor children? If you can justify that, then I would be very interested to hear your rationale. It's fine for adults to decide that they want to do a reality show, but note that Jon and Kate have a few rules that just stink of hypocrisy.
1. Their room is off limits.
2. No potty shots.
3. They can say "no".
If they gave these same considerations to their children, then people here would like them a whole lot more.
What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday?
*raises hands* I wouldn't. I don't think it's appropriate to make children shoulder the responsibility for feeding the family.

Can any of us honestly say that nothing has ever come out of our mouths in a moment of frustration that we didn't wish we could take back?
I hate to say this, but you seem to have very low standards for family life and marriage. I can honestly say that I don't berate my husband infront of our children. I don't screech at him from across stores and never will. If I need his help, then I ask politely or not at all. Does that mean I never say things I wish I hadn't? Of course not. But, my husband and I decided a very long time ago that it was key to treat one another with the utmost respect in front of our children. When they go to bed or leave the house, then we can share our gripes and complaints. It's not that tough, really. Also, I can say with confidence that Kate does not wish she could take her "Hellos!!!" back. If she did, then she'd have stopped the behavior after realizing that it was childish and disrespectful behavior. I don't know what show you're watching, but she's said it multiple times.

I'm sure that Kate was not aware of the severity of the issue at the time. Again, can we all say with certainty that we've NEVER been so focused on something that we don't notice something of importance happening right in front of us? As a first grade teacher with 30 students, I can tell you that plenty of times I have been preoccupied with one situation while another (possibly more important) situation arises unbeknownst to me. It happens to the best of us.

NO! NO, NO, NO! If you have a student standing in front of your desk, who has been CRYING and telling you he can't poop for THREE HOURS, then you are a bad teacher for not reacting. If you know your child has a bad stomach ache (which Kate and Jon did) and you still take them out, then you take your chances on having to end your outing early. Kate wasn't performing neurosurgery or doing her taxes, she was looking at a catalogue of BUNK BEDS. Bunk beds that will be there tomorrow. And, in their case, bunk beds that they didn't have delivered for over a month. Her child was in OBVIOUS distress...she held him for all of a minute before PUSHING HIM off her lap and telling him that his stomach ache was not her problem ("Go see daddy and he'll rub your belly."). So, off he goes to daddy who comes to Kate and says, "Your son is in pain! He needs help." (Paraphrased). What was Kate's reaction? "I really need to concentrate on this." Again, if you can justify that, then I'm interested in seeing how you do it. The situation was not, how did you put it, "unbeknownst" to Kate or Jon. That you could watch that episode and feel that Collin wasn't clear enough in voicing his distress, then I want to know what you require from a three year old child? An e-mail?

If someone offered me enough money to sustain a life and save enough money for all of my children to go to college, I would GLADLY accept it.
Do you watch this show? Seriously! You've got to be joking! According to their last speech, they are NOT putting this money away for the children. Hence the reason they ask for "Love offerings". They are, however, buying a multi-million dollar home and horse property in another state. Jon and Kate could very easily earn some respect back by telling the producers that anything earned from here on out should be put directly in college funds for the kids.

However, the kids don't appear to be terribly bothered by that. In fact, they seem to have developed quite a rapport with the crew.
...and this is justification for everything else. Let me give you a personal observation...those people will be leaving one day. And, because of the behavior of their parents, those children will have to chalk up one more loss of someone who actually, might have cared for their well-being. A "rapport" is not a fruitful, long term relationship.

I have watched every episode of J & K + 8 and have yet to see where they have lied.
Then you're blind or don't do your homework. There's no way any serious adult can claim that. Did Kate give "everything that was donated by the community" back to the community as she claimed? Did she "help others with the free cribs"? Nope. She sold them at a tremendous mark-up, just as she has done with every other item. That makes that statement a lie. Another lie is the fact that Kate and Jon deny that there is any college savings for the children, yet...the state of Pennsylvania created and funded TAP accounts for the kids.

That became obvious as Kate quietly quit her nursing work every other Saturday.
ROFLOL!! Kate hasn't worked a day since those babies were born. Do your homework.

Are they required to be captured on film stating exactly how much money they make per episode? Are you required to go on public television stating exactly how much your salary is? No.

Certainly not. But, at several grand an episode and 25 grand per speaking engagement, I think it's safe to say that they're not experiencing financial hardship or can't afford college savings (as they say in their speaking engagements).

And, as a weekly viewer, I in no way feel that the Gosselins have ever "spit in my face."
Well, that's great! I'm glad. Speaking as someone who has contributed to their needs and as a member of the community that made sure they had what they needed, I can't say the same. When your husband spends a weekend remodeling your home just to have Kate crap on the effort within five minutes of the cameras turning off, get back to me.

And there are child labor laws in place to protect child actors; however, as the Gosselin children are not "actors" there are not (to my knowledge) any laws protecting them.
You say this as if it's a good thing. You're right! They're NOT actors. They are children who have no protection from the law. There's no limit on how long they can be made to stand in a hot, humid environment while a crew sets up a shot. They have no protection from having their bathroom habits chronicled on national televison. There is no limit on the time they spend under stage lighting (that's in the entire house) or how many hours they can be filmed.

At least Jon and Kate have chosen to not have cameras around 24-7.
...and, you know this how? Or, are you just making it up? The Gosselin's have admitted that the crew will sometimes show up as early as six and leave as late as midnight. But, you're totally right...an 18 hour day is cool...or, at least it was in the 1920s.

Sadly, we prefer to watch stories of the American dream.
Holy crap! Are you serious? So,...again, I just want to make sure I'm reading you correctly. The American dream is;
1. Purposefully trying to conceive immediately after being hospitalized for hyperstimulated ovaries against doctors orders.
2. Choosing to carry a pregnancy that could've very well ended in the deaths of each of those children or serious, long term health problems.
3. Making the tax payers pay for costs of the birth and NICU...and a home nurse for a year. I didn't know the American dream came with a paid, licensed nurse who Kate would claim she needed for the year.
4. Having the community and companies donate everything you need to raise your children without lifting a damn finger.
5. Parading your children on camera so you don't have to work?
If that's the "American dream", then I want to move to Russia.

What I want to know is, how can you defend these things?

Anonymous said...

If someone offered me enough money to sustain a life and save enough money for all of my children to go to college, I would GLADLY accept it. I think you would, too. As viewers of their weekly show, none of us have any room to begrudge their decisions or actions.

I too must object. The answer is an unequivocal NO. I would not do that to my children.

What I have always found particularly telling is that Kate does not show her own personal bathroom habits or showering. Would she have wanted the cameras to be rolling if she were terribly constipated and were in the bathroom? Would she have wanted Jon to have a voice-over or explanation of what she did to relieve her constipation? Why then is it okay to do that to Colin? At least Kate is old enough to give informed consent. Maybe she wouldn't mind -- but Colin never had that choice. Nor do any of the children have a right to decide which private moments and meltdowns they want the world to see. Kate can choose to be a shrew on national television - she doesn't give the children the right to refuse to participate.

Kate and Jon are wrong to intrude on their children's privacy in order to earn a living. There are a lot of shortcuts in life -- but many of them have consequences. Some you see immediately - and some play out over years. I think we're already seeing many short-term ill-effects; and I worry for the future of these children.

By the way, you assume that the kids now have secure college funds because of this show. If so, why are the Gosselins still selling photos for that express purpose?

J.L. said...

purplrosez--
Have you been watching the same programs that we have?
I woul like to place MY vote that from a red=blooded American family I would NEVER allow the intrusion of the public into my home. NEVER.
See? There ARE some of us that would definitely turn that down. Even saying "turn it down" connotes that I would be saying "no" to some bountiful advantage. I wouldn't view it that way. I am too private for cameras following my family.
The people who think that it's the only alternative are missing something: Regular working hours from Jon's government job would have covered A LOT of what they needed to survive as a family. That, along with the MANY MANY donations and free offers of child care, foods, clothing, etc...would have maintained them just fine. It's NOT just either/or--allow the film crew into your private life--OR go to the poorfarm. Think about it.

Anonymous said...

Purplrosez--Have you forgotten that Kate is a NURSE?
She should have taken care of Collin's painful problem before starting out to go shopping.

Anonymous said...

I honestly don't think anyone is begrudging J&K their "15 minutes of fame" - go for it! But, it is an issue on honesty and integrity - don't continue the charade that you are destitute when 8000 sqft homes, spa visits, golf excursions are what you're all about. And their sense of entitlement is beyond anything I've ever seen.

Anonymous said...

I agree with PurpleRosez. It seems to me that Kate and Jon have found the way to monetarily support their family. I don't see that the kids are harmed or even bothered by the cameras. At this point, they seem to treat the crew as family. As far as potty training goes, Kate has six children to potty train - she cannot sit in there with each one - that is all she would get done. Kate can be short with the kids and Jon, but some of that blame goes to Jon, who is not very proactive. Great post from purplerosez!

Anonymous said...

The G's I think are trying to reach a 100 episodes so the show can become syndicated. They should stop right now before the children start to get followed everywhere by the paparazzi. Once they start to follow people they will do so probably for the rest of the childrens lives.

Linda said...

"They have full camera crews in their home 3-4 days a week. However, the kids don't appear to be terribly bothered by that. In fact, they seem to have developed quite a rapport with the crew."

These little ones have never know what life if like without the camera in their face. This isn't a loving parent getting their potty training moments on home video, these are strangers, men and woman, filming them with their pants off. How many of us warn our kids of this! Mady and Kara have known life before the camera, and Mady's actions speak louder than words (which I'm sure she would never have taped if they were negative).

"As far as the impacted bowel movement of their son goes, I'm sure that Kate was not aware of the severity of the issue at the time. Again, can we all say with certainty that we've NEVER been so focused on something that we don't notice something of importance happening right in front of us?"

Shame on Kate for not knowing the severity of this...her job is to know. She and Jon spoke about him being in pain, but rather than having him rest until his mother, the RN, could take care of him. I guess production costs would have skyrocketed if it had to be rescheduled. I have never been to busy to overlook my child feeling ill. I have a daughter who has epilepsy. As a family, we've changed vacation dates, I've used sick leave, taught my kids that we are a team and they need to take care of each other. I'm a single parent and my 3 kids are amazing; well adjusted and good citizens who follow the Golden Rule. My job was and still is, to love, care AND protect them.

"And there are child labor laws in place to protect child actors; however, as the Gosselin children are not "actors" there are not (to my knowledge) any laws protecting them. It is up to the decision of the parents"

Exactly! And that's what seems to be the issues, parents who have moved beyond wanting to secure a future for their kids and becoming self indulgent (teeth whitening, hair plugs, million dollar home). And the fact there is such an outpouring of support FOR THE KIDS being able to have the rights afforded other child actors, speaks volumes about the parents in this country. Abuse is not just hitting and screaming (although that does exist in this family, watch Mady flinch during the Thomas episode and Joel's "DUH" expression), it is also exploitation. And we see it. And want Jon $ Kate, as well as the production staff of TLC called on this.

PurplRosez, I know that you are neither Jon or Kate, the post is to well written. My guess is that your either part of the production staff or part of their PR people. Forget 'spin' and do the right thing.

Anonymous said...

PurplRosez said...

What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday?


Me. No amount of money would be enough to lose my family's privacy.

FIONA said...

To PurpleRose.

countless people tune in weekly to get parenting tips on just such topics

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I think just as many people tune in to see what not to do! i have yet to see anything but explotive acts done to these kids.

I, too, am one who would not have done a show like this...we are not all greedy "red-blooded" Americans as you say. I think that comment in an of itself is offensive. What? Are all American's greedy and self-absorbed???

It is people who think like you, and I do realize there are many of you that hurt the Gosselin kids. You excuse their behavior and justify it away.

Not me!

Jen said...

Mentioned higher up: What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday?

Um, me. I'm the parent of a little boy who HAS been approached by people, strangers who have no prior connection to my family, who have suggested that he be a child model. I'm proud that people recognize his cute looks, as any parent would be. But no amount of money...NONE....would make me decide that he should be "working" at his young age (and let's not kid ourselves, people....these kids are working. They aren't just living their lives and "oops, I forgot there was a camera 12 inches from my face!") and have him lose his privacy, childhood and unique experiences that happen in every child's life.

Anyone who would say, "Sure, there might be a pretty major downside to pimping out my kids on tv for cash, but I'll just HOPE that it all turns out ok and that we make some sweet money in the process" is sick. You don't make a decision for your children that has a tremendous potential for damaging their self-esteem, their friendships in school, their education and socialization and then say, "Well, at least we made the money". That's just wrong. This whole show is wrong. It's morphed from a peek into their windows into an invasion into those kids' souls. They have no life other than their "role" as a Gosselin kid.

And as for being able to never have to work again? That's OUR JOB as parents. We work for what our children need and want, not the other way around. To think otherwise is pretty twisted. Your kids are not here to make your life cushy. Any good parent would know that.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I can say for certain that I have never been so focused on something that I would allow a child of mine to suffer as that little Collin at the bed shopping fiasco. A good parent no more what will either postpone a trip when a child isn't well or leave the child at home with another parent. Not drag them to a furniture store for what seems like hours and expect them to entertain themselves through the pain. What a narcissitic, self-centered witch kate proved herself to be in that one. And what was Jon thinking? Why doesn't he say "No, we aren't going to do this"? Those kids could have cared less about "picking out their own furniture like the big girls did". Come on, it is, like always, what Kate wanted. No regard for anyone else. It made me sick to see that episode recently. A nurse? I doubt that story very much. Maybe the worst nurse ever!!! I certainly would not want to be her patient, would any of you? There are lots of things that would've helped that little boy and just dressing him up and letting him suffer on camera in a store setting while his parents ignore him is cruel and abusive.
Barbara in VA

Anonymous said...

Purplerosez said: As far as the impacted bowel movement of their son goes, I'm sure that Kate was not aware of the severity of the issue at the time.

Well, she should!!! She is his mother, mother's should stay on top of what's going on with their kids, and she's a so-called "nurse" to top it all off. Collin had been having this problem for a while before it lead to the traumatic incident in the van. Kate does not and should not get a pass on this one.

Anonymous said...

Purplerosz: I would, as a red blooded American, never allow my children to be exploited this way. Nope. My husband and I both worked very hard to support our children and to give them life experiences. Imagine that! I sincerely would not do what they are doing for any reason.

As an attorney here in DC, I have decided to consult friends who are more expert about child labor laws and the entertainment business and to see if something can be done on a national level to ensure that parents can not use this relatively new reality programming as a way to exploit children and so benefit themselves. As you are probably aware, the Jackie Cooper law from, and I'm guessing here, the 1930s, is in place because of parents exactly like the G's who used their little darlings to live the high life. In my opinion Kon are slipping (or slithering) between the crack in the law there because their kids are not "actors". If I am able to contact someone or a firm here who can help I will report back so that any of you who want to e-mail them with your observations will be able to do so.
Barbara in VA

FIONA said...

At least Jon and Kate have chosen to not have cameras around 24-7.
...and, you know this how? Or, are you just making it up? The Gosselin's have admitted that the crew will sometimes show up as early as six and leave as late as midnight. But, you're totally right...an 18 hour day is cool...or, at least it was in the 1920s.
___

Actually you are wrong about this as well. J$K admitted that hidden cameras are in the little kids room. We have seen Aaden being filmed in the safe haven of his bedroom without him knowing it. He was sent to his room, was crying for his Daddy, found his chewy, and fell asleep.

Jen said...

If anything, the level of intrusiveness has become much worse lately.

A comment was made about the new hidden cameras (with nightvision, no less) that now film the kids when they think they are alone.

Other than for purposes of checking on your own kids at night (as in a baby video monitor) there is NO REASON why these kids can't even lay in their beds in the dark alone and not have that footage aired.

TLC and Figure 8 are pushing the limits further and further and dangling more expensive carrots and seeing how far they can get these parents to go. So far, it doesn't look like there is anything these parents WON'T do in exchange for a bigger piece of the pie. The older shows and specials were quaint looks into their lives. Had they stuck with those, and maybe yearly updates, they could have had a nice life that was much more normal for these kids. I don't think any of us would have begrudged them for that. But the point is that they took it too far.

mlou said...

I used to be a faithful fan of this show. I've seen every episode at least 5 times. No, I never really cared for Kate, but like many of you I fell in love with these kids. After some time, I started thinking "What is it that Kate actually does?" then I would think maybe it's just me.
Then I started noticing the constant belittling of Jon, not to mention the total disregard for these precious boys. I too believed that they really were a struggling family until I heard Jon say he had just got back from backpacking in Europe before they met. I was already disgusted by a number of things. I actually found this blog by accident. I was looking for Cara's middle name, because I had never heard it mention on the show. I did find out by the way, but I have also found out so much more. I wondered where Jodi and Beth had gone but had never really researched. I was so relieved when I found out that I wasn't the only one seeing these problems.
Everything this season has done it for me, GumGate, CupcakeGate, and especially JoelGate. And yes, they all have to do with the treatment of her boys and people who are trying to be good to them.
I'm so glad I have finally found my peeple not sheeple.

Also, regarding Collin, I can't help but think, if it were one of the girls suffering, would she have dragged them out?

sadie said...

Nurses are trained to watch for a variety of signals from the patient as to what is going on with them. They can't just go on what is told to them, especially if they work in pediatrics.

Collin was DRENCHED in sweat at the furniture store and Kate couldn't take her eyes from the catalogue to see his obvious distress.

There have been MANY times that we have seen Kate freaking out about having to clean someone's poop(Hannah as a baby with poop coming up the back of her diaper?) or bereating someone for having a bowel movement. How did she make it through nursing school? Didn't she learn that poop happens?

What did it for me is when she yelled, "No! No!" when someone (Joel?) vomited in his bed. She held her nose and encouraged the girls to do the same and complained about the smell and mess of vomit.

Later she whined to the camera that she was sick and tired of dealing with vomit. Not that she was worried that her kids were sick.

Because it is always all about her.

Anonymous said...

"Also, regarding Collin, I can't help but think, if it were one of the girls suffering, would she have dragged them out?"

Would J & K allow, and TLC production condone the filming of either of the twins in pain and discomfort due to constipation? Would J & K allow a film crew to follow a twin around focusing on their backside? Would they further allow a camera crew to park outside of the bathroom while a constipated twin 'does her business' and include a step by step narration by J & K of how the 'process' went? Absolutely NOT ! The reason, because the twins are of an age where filming of such topics would be considered to be in 'poor taste' and 'unacceptable'. But for some reason when J & K and TLC chose to exploit the tups in this manner it is viewed as 'entertaining'. There is something very wrong with this depiction of 'reality'!

K.C. said...

There was so much I wanted to say in response to PurplRosez, however; after reading all comments prior to posting I see that everyone else has done it for me. I do want to add a couple of things though. Just for the record...No! I would NEVER trade my daughter's privacy, childhood or innocence for anything, especially not for money.

Linda said...PurplRosez, I know that you are neither Jon or Kate, the post is to well written. My guess is that your either part of the production staff or part of their PR people. Forget 'spin' and do the right thing.

Thanks Linda, as I read PurplRosez comments I was thinking the EXACT same thing! PurplRosez has got be on the J&K+8 payroll to post these things. Don't get me wrong, I know there really are people who think this way but something about the writing style just screams PR. The 'parenting tips' comment reminded me of the EW press release/article. You took the words right out of my mouth.

JuliaG said...

After reading several sites not only here, I'm so tired of people throwing out that anybody offered the chance to exploit their children for a better life style would do it in a minute! If it's not just shills for the production company or TLC running around posting this inane crap then I fear for the children of these people. It was horrid enough seeing an episode of my kid is a star or whatever that title was and seeing those narcissistic sorry excuses of parents but I pray those type of people are a very, very small percent of parents. There are thousand of people that are poor excuses for parents and instead of giving them a hefty paycheck and all the perks of the “good life” I'd hope people would get them parenting classes and family therapy. Figure 8 and TLC are just as disgusting to me as Jon and Kate. And so does anyone that claps their hands and coos how great they got the “American Dream.” I'm voting the children will if they are ever allowed to speak out will instead tell you it was the “American Nightmare.”

sadie said...

sherp said...
Please - Drenched in sweat - we all watch the same show. There may be questions about some of the events but making stuff up does not enhance the credibility of the posters.

They showed a close up of his face. His hair was wet. With sweat.

Sweating inside of an airconditioned store is obvious distress.

Anonymous said...

Later she whined to the camera that she was sick and tired of dealing with vomit. Not that she was worried that her kids were sick.

I can't tell you how many times I've said that. It's not that I'm not concerned about my child and his illness, it's just that I might be tired or frustrated or whatever and I have to vent to get it out. The only difference is that my comments aren't on national TV.

Anonymous said...

Kate is a graduate of an acredited School of Nursing, passed the Pa Nursing boards and a licensed Registered Nurse in the state of Pennsylvania. Whats to doubt?

LFWH said...

I think another distasteful thing about J$K exploiting their children by having them filmed 24/7 is the safety factor, or lack there of. We all know the horror stories about children being abducted and other terrible things that can happen. That alone is good enough reason not to have your children exploited and filmed constantly. I mean look at where they live? How simple would it be for some nut case to look up their address? Granted, the kids do have a "camera" person with them most of the time while Kate does her thing in the house but still it always makes me uneasy when they are in the garage or driveway by themselves. There are many sick people in the world and J$K would rather have wealth and matrial belongings than safety for their children.

Anonymous said...

"Oh please, those poor kids are ONLY 4 years old, they don't know any better! To say that they seem to not be suffering from the exposure is just ludicrous!"

So I guess it is safe to say that accusing them of suffering from the exposure is just ludicrous too? Just because they are four does not make them idiots. They sure look happy to me.

L said...

Anonymous said...

Later she whined to the camera that she was sick and tired of dealing with vomit. Not that she was worried that her kids were sick.

I can't tell you how many times I've said that. It's not that I'm not concerned about my child and his illness, it's just that I might be tired or frustrated or whatever and I have to vent to get it out. The only difference is that my comments aren't on national TV.
8/17/2008


You just proved one point to disprove another. Your comments aren't on TV and therefore you have not invited public scrutiny of them. And the original poster of the comment was referring to this not as an isolated incident but as part of a larger pattern of behavior.



Anonymous said...

Kate is a graduate of an acredited School of Nursing, passed the Pa Nursing boards and a licensed Registered Nurse in the state of Pennsylvania. Whats to doubt?
8/17/2008


Whatever aCcredited school she went to graduated her based on practical knowledge, not on whether or not she was a fount of compassion. I think whatever comments there are questioning her nursing are questioning how someone who is so obviously cold, squeamish, and seemingly not knowledgeable about basic family health care could have been a successful nurse.

Open Eyes said...

Oh my! I went to bed last night and there were 25 comments on my little post and now there are over 50!

I'm glad to see that people can still engage in healthy debate and conversation.

beenthere said...

"Can you honestly say you've never spoken to any of your loved ones in such a tone?"

I can honestly say that since my daughters were 2 and 3 (now ages six and seven) I can HONESTLY say that I have not spoken to my family in a tone remotely resembling Kate's. When my first born was 3 she said, "Mommy, I don't like it when you yell. I can't think!" It stopped me in my tracks. Flashback to my own childhood - my mom hollering, nagging and all in all not allowing anyone to have peace or let alone think - well, in a split second I chose (CHOSE!) to think before I spoke. And if thinking alone didn't do it, I'd take some deep breaths. In all, my husband and I are my girls' immediate role models. And besides, I respect them all to talk -- or yell -- at them rudely. My husband included! And don't the child psychologists tell everyone that it's much more effective to get a child to listen to your directions if you speak calmly and firmly?

Anonymous said...

I don't doubt that the school, if you have checked the facts and I guess you have, gave this woman some sort of nursing certificate for having passed whatever course work they required. But she's gotta be the worst nurse ever if she could not comprehend Collin's difficulties and realize that those were a little bit more important than her trip to the furniture store. No, I'll go further, let her go to the friggin' store with all the others, but at least be nurse-like enough to realize one of your kids is in distress and let him stay at home with Jodi or Jon or anyone who would be better at being a mother to this little boy than she would!!! I did notice the little guy sweating and her casting him off even after she very reluctantly held him for 30 seconds. Unbelievable. Perhaps what I was thinking that of all the moms that I have met over all my many years of, you know, being alive, she is one of the most clueless and self-absorbed if not downright abusive. And to the extent that Jon stood by and allowed that to happen, which we know he did by what we saw (& I'd love to see Jon parent these kids without her just to see the difference) so is he.

Kristee said...

Colin was drenched in sweat at the furniture store. Kate may be a nurse, but I'm thinking she might only be book smart and not so common sense smart. She turns he nose up to every thing, even calling her precious boys icky and gross.

Imo, Kate has no maternal instincts with her children. Leaving them sick and yelling at them for vomiting is not normal.

I was also thinking today that if my husband was one of the camera guys following these poor kids I'd be ashamed. How do these ppl. film some of the most upsetting footage and make it ok in their heads? How do they film little Joel alone in his room crying for Jon and not intervene? The crew, imo...are as much to blame as the rest of the adults exploiting these kids.

Anonymous said...

bk said...
"Kate hasn't worked a day since those babies were born. Do your homework."

I also thought Kate went back to work on Saturday's for a short period of time. Is that not true?

Open Eyes said...

beenthere-
I can completely agree with everything that you are saying. My mother was the same way. Everyone can make a conscious choice as to what they are going to say and how they are going to say it.

Anonymous said...

The second special did show Kate working Saturdays at a clinic. When the first season started, she was no longer working.

Anonymous said...

When my first born son was about 5 he too had impacted bowel. Common among boys I later found out. Unbeknownst to me he was holding his poops and not going. When it got bad and I took him to the doctor he said that the spincter muscles get to a point where they don't register that the child has to go, so the feces builds up and then you have the problem. (that would be on top of the problem of them having been holding it in!! And yes, I wasn't aware because at 5 he was using the big toilet and wiping, etc himself) After the diagnosis, which was 25 years ago so I don't recall but probably had to use suppositories or laxatives to get him going again, the doctor told me I needed to 'work' to retrain him to go #2. Which means, most of us go in the morning, so after breakfast he would go in and sit on the toilet. I doubt he was able to go every morning early on but I am sure he sat there for a period of time everyday, retraining himself to go. I would check on him and sit outside reading to him. He's almost 30 and none the worse for wear.
But this is my point: Even the doctor did not dig around to clean him out. It was a slow process. Not hurried for the sake of me, the mother. If this is the road Collin is going down I shudder to think of Kon plopping him on his training potty and telling him he can't get up till he poops....and then walking off and leaving the poor little guy for hours.
Oh, and I did have two other children at the time but had to cut out spa visits, plastic surgeon appointments, teeth whitening and vacations so that I was able to give him my undivided attention.
Lisa

SmartyQ said...

open eyes said: Oh my! I went to bed last night and there were 25 comments on my little post and now there are over 50!

I'm glad to see that people can still engage in healthy debate and conversation.


You're certainly welcome here, and I hope you will stay. We're a lively bunch but fun and interesting.

Open Eyes said...

Thank you smartyq. I must say that my opinion of this blog has changed quite a bit and I am very happy that I chose to share my thoughts here.

beenthere said...

open eyes -

I read one of your posts before (at least I think it was one of yours!) and when I did I thought to myself that GWoP served many purposes, however unintentional. I was thinking that it was consoling and reassuring to read about others who shared childhood experiences very similar to mine. [Consoling, yes. Would I prefer that no one share my experience - and knowing full well there are worse home environments - well, of course!] All I ever heard from my dad was be thankful for all that you have (and I am), but being on this blog instructs me that as alone as I felt, I was in fact, not. I was probably 30 when I realized that moms could get down on the floor and play, leave the toys out until the end of the day (horror!), splash water on the countertop and let it stay there, etc. I think GWoP has folks thinking about the way they behave and why. It's excellent food for thought. And not just that - the ramifications on the children are nothing to sneeze at. Children retreat when constantly berated. And that, well, that leads to lots of problems, not least of all, depression. I'm not one to join support groups, but if I were, there are a number of people on this blog that I bet I would like.

LFWH said...

"Oh, and I did have two other children at the time but had to cut out spa visits, plastic surgeon appointments, teeth whitening and vacations so that I was able to give him my undivided attention."

I'd like to nominate this as Comment of the Week!!! Awesome comment Lisa!

iluveeyore said...

"Again I'll say that the children do not seem to be suffering from the exposure that the show is brining them.

Not suffering? Mady is miserable. She runs from the camera, she puts her hand over the camera lens, she sprays water at the camera, she has slammed a door in front of the camera. The twins are totally aware of how different their life is from "normal" people.
I'll bet they are getting teased right and left at school.

As for the tups. Their dignity and privacy have been taken from them. Their parents are often at meetings or out of town. Two of the girls can vomit on demand... for attention. Joel gets his glazed over look when reprimanded (shades of Sybil); I wonder where he goes in his mind.

They are being dragged all over the place for the sake of making good tv. I really doubt that the tups enjoy much of what they are made to do... especially with Kate "editing" everything that might be fun.

Anonymous said...

Long time lurker... but just had to jumo in on this one.

When the tups were babes, Kate begged, pleaded, cried to have the nurse stay on. The "extra set of eyes" that noticed things she didn't with so many to look after. I don't think from the start she wanted to look after these kids. She had a constipated little boy in front of her and she clearly saw a problem then. No sense of urgency for the sick child, just an overwhelming desire to look at beds. I am surised these kids have had as good of health as they have. Laying on the laundry room floor when you have the flu- being drug to Gymboree with a double ear infection, the Colin incident. Make me so sad...

Anonymous said...

"why is it that Kate seemingly so favors the girl over the boys???"

IMO, Kate's issues with the boys, and her negative generalization of men are a result of much deeper rooted issues far beyond that of favoritism. The same can be said , IMO about her neurosis with respect to her children 'getting dirty'.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Kate is a graduate of an acredited School of Nursing, passed the Pa Nursing boards and a licensed Registered Nurse in the state of Pennsylvania. Whats to doubt?
8/17/2008

Whatever aCcredited school she went to graduated her based on practical knowledge, not on whether or not she was a fount of compassion. I think whatever comments there are questioning her nursing are questioning how someone who is so obviously cold, squeamish, and seemingly not knowledgeable about basic family health care could have been a successful nurse.
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Yes, I think she graduated based on practical knowledge exclusively - You'd think though that one of her instructors would have noticed that she had no affinity for the role and no compassion. Maybe they thought though that she was just extremely immature at that time and would grow into it with both professional and life experience. If this is in fact what they thought - they were wrong indeed! Also, Kate is not bright and has shown she is not interested in learning new things and shows her contempt for it by disrespecting the train guy at the Straburg RR, for one. I think she went to nursing school -particularly a diploma one - because:
-Only two years and can go through it quickly. Kate wanted a quick fix and did not think about the advantages of an AA or BSN degree. No thought to how she might want to better herself or the impact on her future career.
-She probably wanted to hook up with someone with $$$ and thought she could find one (a doctor?) by working as an RN in a hospital. She's a golddigger, certainly. But, nobody with any class, education, and money as a result of these would ever consider her. She's tacky, has no class, and no ambition whatsoever. That's why she got Jon-boy, the ball-less wonder and had to use her amazing uterus as a money maker. Sad, but true.

Anonymous said...

SB said,"Money did not stop Beth and Jodi from helping Kate, but money stopped Kate from keeping Beth and Jodi on their show."

Nomination for comment of the week!

Anonymous said...

Well, I disagree completely with the above Anonymous. Kate "bettered" herself by going to RN school". The BSN cost an extra sixty plus thousand and no need for it unless you want to be an Administrator. Kate wanted to make a living. You may be able to fault her for somethings but not for getting her RN. We have no way of evaluating her RN skills and as she still has a license can't be that bad.

Anonymous said...

Kate does not have "some sort of certification" but has a Registered Nurse License in Pa. Anyone can verify this by checking Nursing License at the BON web site. Simply google RN with Kate's name.

beenthere said...

Singer Alanis Morissette on child celebrity, Women's Health Magazine, August 08: Interviewer: "You also acted on TV as a kid. You must relate to the Britneys and Mileys of this world." AM: "I think it's child abuse to have someone in the public eye too young. Society basically values wealth and fame and power at the cost of well-being. In the case of a child, it's at the cost of someone's natural development. It's already hard enough to develop." Her experience-based summation of child celebrity is encapsulating, elegant, and apropos. While some might argue the Gosselin children aren't acting, the distinction is so nebulous at this point as to be virtually moot.

Anonymous said...

"And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week?"
I must have missed the episodes featuring the 'trials' of the Gosselin family. I have seen episode after episode of them going to amusement parks,numerous vacations, special days, teeth whitening and hair transplant procedures, businesses closing to the public and accomodating their every demand, private fitness instruction, them receiving endless amounts of free products and services..the list goes on. I have yet to see the Gosselin family experience anything remotely comparable to the 'trials'(or struggles) of the typical working class family.

iluveeyore said...

Question for anyone with an opinion or insight:

I don't like to go around psychoanalyzing people I don't know but!: IMO, trained psychologists very likely would pick up on KG's issues as they are so readily apparent to plain ol' viewers like us....

Other than the fact that, IMO, Kate does not seem to respect men (the way she lords over Jon - if it were the other way around, would it not be considered a form of domestic violence? It would be much more of an outrage b/c it would be a husband mentally/emotionally abusing his wife) :

why is it that Kate seemingly so favors the girl over the boys??? What if the 'tables were turned' and the guys outnumbered the girls? Would there be any difference in Kate's treatment of the kids and/or her general demeanor?


In my opinion, the ratio of boys to girls would make no difference. I think Kate's seemingly deep-rooted feelings toward males might be based on her relationship with her father. That is where girls learn their first attitude toward males. I have no specifics to support my personal beliefs, but I would imagine that Kate's father was extremely controlling and her mother was a "pushover."

Jen said...

I agree that Kate clearly has some guy issues, but I'm not sure that one can characterize it as having a domineering dad and a pushover mom. In my personal situation, I had a really aggressive father and a very passive mother and I have made the choice (and it is a choice, once you are an adult) to live my life differently and have harmony in my home and with my husband. My husband and I show a tremendous amount of respect to each other. It very well could be the reverse...maybe her mother modeled behavior that you had to be aggressive to get attention? I don't know anything about her parents to be honest, but no matter what your childhood experience, once you are an adult, you are in control and need to make the specific choice about how you want to live your life and treat others. A lot of people have messed up childhoods but you can't treat people any way you like because of it. I would think that Kate would see, especially if she actually watches the show, that her behavior is embarassing for her entire family, particularly Jon and that is incredibly disrespectful to the family.

KSK said...

FROM ANON. -

SB said,"Money did not stop Beth and Jodi from helping Kate, but money stopped Kate from keeping Beth and Jodi on their show."

Nomination for comment of the week!

I AGREE!!

Amy said...

""Oh please, those poor kids are ONLY 4 years old, they don't know any better! To say that they seem to not be suffering from the exposure is just ludicrous!"

So I guess it is safe to say that accusing them of suffering from the exposure is just ludicrous too? Just because they are four does not make them idiots. They sure look happy to me.



I never said they weren't happy but it is ludicrous to say that they seem to not be suffering when they are too young to really even understand the circumstances of their life situation. Being 4 doesn't make them idiots as you put it, but they are far too immature to know any different! Like others have pointed out already, Mady and Cara do understand how much their lives are being impacted by the show and Mady doesn't seem to enjoy it much. I would be very surprised if a few years down the line the tups aren't feeling the same way that Mady is about the situation. To look at them now and base any sort of judgement on how they think or feel about the show is what is ludicrous.

K.C. said...

iluveeyore said...
"Again I'll say that the children do not seem to be suffering from the exposure that the show is brining them.

Not suffering? Mady is miserable. She runs from the camera, she puts her hand over the camera lens, she sprays water at the camera, she has slammed a door in front of the camera. The twins are totally aware of how different their life is from "normal" people.
I'll bet they are getting teased right and left at school.

iluveeyore, I think you are right. The kids have got to be teased at school. For anyone who doubts this:

As for their rising celebrity status, Kate says the little kids don’t understand that they’re on television and the twins don’t mind the circumstances so much, although Mady sometimes complains when the kids talk about the show at school. “Just like with everything else, she’s either hot or she’s cold,” Kate says.

Link to full article:
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=ff45e8d24b1a50d05978802f9ac1c8f0

Anonymous said...

bk -

Your comments are great, but Kate was working weekends when the special for TLC was done. Also, she was even working weekends during some small part of the first season. When they took Mady and Cara to American Girl in New York, she was still working. They talked about her working many times because it caused problems in planning that trip to NY.

Just an FYI!

P.S. I no longer think you are Beth!

sabrinasmom said...

Your comments are great, but Kate was working weekends when the special for TLC was done. Also, she was even working weekends during some small part of the first season.

and Jon was working as well. In addition to the children, a lot of the initial appeal was the "normalness" of their family. IIRC there were scenes in the earlier special where Jon and Kate are folding laundry on their bed. But it has gotten so far from that.

Anonymous said...

If you say she has an RN then I'm sure she does have one. That said, being able to take in and regurgitate material to pass tests is not the proof of the thing. What I mean to say is she may have passed the tests given, but she in no way got the compassionate portions of her training.

Haven't you met someone similar to Kate in your life, who always had an excuse, never owned up to anything being their fault, almost took pride in never saying they were sorry and who truly had no interest (like in the train) in anything that didn't feature her? I have only met one in all my years. It is a tedious experience at least to be in her company and probably why Kate doesn't appear to have any friends. Who could take it for long? I imagine she sucks up to Beth because she someone considers Beth to be her better. Even Beth must see how she treats Jon and the children. Hopefully Beth has more sense than to condone that behavior. But who knows? Barbara in VA

SecretMonkey said...

Haven't you met someone similar to Kate in your life, who always had an excuse, never owned up to anything being their fault, almost took pride in never saying they were sorry and who truly had no interest (like in the train) in anything that didn't feature her? I have only met one in all my years. It is a tedious experience at least to be in her company and probably why Kate doesn't appear to have any friends. Who could take it for long? I imagine she sucks up to Beth because she someone considers Beth to be her better. Even Beth must see how she treats Jon and the children. Hopefully Beth has more sense than to condone that behavior. But who knows? Barbara in VA

I have met someone like that - she was one of the reasons I changed jobs!

I think Beth has seen the light - we haven't seen her on the show since the Utah trip.

Just 1 said...

This is a comment left on the Reading Eagle story done May 2005 regarding J&K's request to keep their Medicaid-funded nurse after the tups turned 1. How scary is it that someone could see J&Ks "transparent agenda" that soon after the babies were born?

"As a member of the media I have been covering this story since almost day one. When I first went to the news conference in Hershey I was so excited for the Gosselins. They seemed liked good people and they had so many people really pulling for them.

However, as time went by they became, how do I say, unlikable. They no longer seemed genuine. They had such a transparent agenda.

I was at the house the day the television crew came to film "Home Delivery" and I was just appalled at things that were said by Kate once the cameras were turned off and she thought her voice couldn't be heard. She complained about the nursery saying the murals would scare her kids and that the twin’s room was "horrendously horrendous"...a phrase I just can't forget. She then went on to say "thanks for nothing..." I couldn't believe my ears and I am not a naive person.

So, my advice to the Gosselins is...endear yourself to people....make them want to like you. You have become so very unappealing and just down right self-righteous. No one wants to help affluent self-righteous people when there are so many good people in dire straits that also need a hand. And, lastly, Kate stop talking....stop giving interviews, stop pleading for help, stop. You are beginning to sound a bit like a nut...a selfish, wish-you-could-change-your-mind kind of mother as well."

"Horrendously Horrendous" That is so Kate!!!!

FIONA said...

As for their rising celebrity status, Kate says the little kids don’t understand that they’re on television and the twins don’t mind the circumstances so much, although Mady sometimes complains when the kids talk about the show at school. “Just like with everything else, she’s either hot or she’s cold,” Kate says.

Link to full article:
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=ff45e8d24b1a50d05978802f9ac1c8f0

8/17/2008
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This is a truly mean comment from Kate....MEAN, MEAN! There is no compassion in this statement, noting remotely like Mady's mother gives a shit about her!!!

Anonymous said...

Actually, they don't teach compassion in RN school but knowledge on how to "Nurse." How to do proceedures, recognize signs and symptoms, know the drugs and help the patient with their clinical problems. Kate can obviously do all that as her license is current and valid. Trying to demean her for passing the required test and Nursing Boards is petty.

annabandana said...

"And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week?"

Everytime I see a PRO-Kon post that mentions the "attractiveness" of the family, it's pretty obvious the poster if from CampKon.

I've defended plenty of people my lifetime, and I've never felt compelled to use the argument "but they are so ATTRACTIVE"!

I'm just sayin'.........

Anonymous said...

Beware the "Wrath of KON"! I don't think J&K are going to like seeing people questioning their integrity and ability to tell the truth. It's just, well, bad television. We need to keep this show on for at least another year or so, so J&K can buy a boat and a Bentley. I wonder if free gas will be included???

Sera said...

Slightly o/t here, but I guess we can count Entertainment Weekly among the sheeple...the latest issue (Aug 22, 2008; Issue #1007-1008) reviews Jon & Kate Plus 8 and the article is filled with such statements as:

The kids rarely play to the cameras — they've been around too long (and the Gosselins are such careful parents, I'm sure they have a strategy regarding Raising Children in a Docu Environment, which makes for guilt-free viewing).

And the main photo in the print article features only six of the eight children - Collin and Mady are cut from the shot.

Here's the link to the article:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20219203,00.html

Anonymous said...

"(and the Gosselins are such careful parents, I'm sure they have a strategy regarding Raising Children in a Docu Environment, which makes for guilt-free viewing)."
I find this to be an assuming statement on the part of the article writer. I, as well as many others would be interested in hearing out of the mouth of J & K about this 'strategy'.

Laura said...

"And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week?"
What trials would these be? The "barriers" as Kate calls them, that she, herself creates? oh dear, we've already been there, where do we pick for our next vacation? oh dear, oh dear.
or the normal trials that families of 4 or more have on a daily basis ie full time jobs, paying bills, cleaning, playing, cooking, laundry etc. Kate creates her own trials. We see it all the time. Who do you know who has kids takes them to the toy store to do their x-mas shopping with the parents and then try to keep it a secret while the kids are standing right there? who do you know puts together 6 new beds and then takes them down in order to carpet the room? who do you know packs an entire u-haul of stuff to go on vacation with? Im sure that the pots and pans at the beach house were probably disgusting, since they stayed in what looked like a multi million dollar home. maybe if she's wash the clothes in tide or oxyclean then she wouldnt have to spend ALL day in the laundry room. i have also noticed in an episode when the kids go down for nap she has them put on nite nites, so do they have an afternoon outfit too? thats 3 outfits in a day. the gum on the socks, toss them out kate. they didnt cost you anything, and besides if they did they would be a few dollars at the most. You spend a few dollars on your spa's and colorist every month dont you?
You are no longer super mom to ALOT of us and being a mother of 3 find YOU to be very insulting. I cant imagine how "awful" your life would be now if TLC had not made that 2nd phone call to you.

iluveeyore said...

The EW article reads like another press release to me.

Jon and Kate's PR people have certainly been busy little beavers.

You may write to EW and "thank" them for their glowing article at
letters@ew.com.

I have.

Anonymous said...

Did not mean to demean her RN degree, lordy be. The nurses I have known throughout my life personally and through being a patient were, at least when I was around them, kind, thoughtful, caring and compassionate. I suppose they could've been clinically perfect, too, and I hope they were. I hope Kate is clinically perfect in her job (should she ever have to work again in that field) for the sake of her patients. Yep, you can't teach compassion, true enough, and thank you for pointing that out to me.

Kristee said...

~~~I've defended plenty of people my lifetime, and I've never felt compelled to use the argument "but they are so ATTRACTIVE"!


I think this is a direct comment from the Kon camp too. It's just an easy compliment to use and it's true I guess (I hate saying that!!) I think that is the only thing Jon and Kate have going "for* them in a positive way. Their parenting skills, relationship skills with each other and everyone they come in contact with are all terrible. They lie, disrespect their kids and deceive church members who listen to their bullcrap. I guess that saying they are good looking is innocent enough, and it's one thing the Kon camp isn't lying about.

It's a good thing Katie doesn't mind scorching sunburns b/c I have a feeling the fires of hell are gonna be licking at her toes some time soon..LOL!

lynn/anon1967 said...

Barb in Va, thank you so much for doing what you're doing! I'll be looking fwd to hearing more from you, and hope that you can find some answers! Take Care!

Anonymous said...

About Collin's 'problem' that was being discussed earlier...I felt so bad for the little guy, he was obviously in pain and uncomfortable and if I'm correct, I think Kate said something on the interview couch about not knowing the last time he 'went'...I know having 8 kids has to be complicated, but c'mon, Kate, you're a nurse, for heaven's sake!!I also recall her saying something about what they do when a kid is sick and they have plans (I believe it was when they took the whole family out to dinner at the Olive Garden for the twins' birthday and Hannah had an ear infection) that it wasn't fair for one parent to have to take 7 kids to a planned event, while the other stayed home with the sick kid, so they just haul the sick kid with them...Kon does not have any sense of priorities...oh, excuse me, they do...it's money and freeebies..

lynn/anon1967 said...

What they fail to realize is that each and every glowing report on the Go$$ilins that are given, more and more people are seeing the truth, and it's not the glowing pic they want portraid..

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Actually, they don't teach compassion in RN school but knowledge on how to "Nurse." How to do proceedures, recognize signs and symptoms, know the drugs and help the patient with their clinical problems. Kate can obviously do all that as her license is current and valid. Trying to demean her for passing the required test and Nursing Boards is petty.
Becoming a nurse or doctor doesn't mean a darn thing except you passed the classes. There have been enough cases of psychopaths in both fields that kill for the joy of it, bring people to near death so they can get the atta boys when they save the person they almost killed. Being an RN or doctor holds no inherent attributes, good or bad. I don't think Kate worked very long or in multiple areas where she'd gain the knowledge to be better at doing first aid etc for her children as neither are learned doing labor and deliver or working very part time in dialysis.

K.C. said...

Anonymous said...
Actually, they don't teach compassion in RN school...recognize signs and symptoms... Kate can obviously do all that as her license is current and valid...

I don't think it's obvious that she can do that. In fact, quite the opposite. She obviously didn't recognize Colin's signs or symptoms in the furniture store. If she did realize that he was in distress, (as taught in nursing program), and still ignored him then what kind of a 'nurse' does that make Kate? Not to mention the kind of mother...

annabandana said...Everytime I see a PRO-Kon post that mentions the "attractiveness" of the family, it's pretty obvious the poster if from CampKon.

I agree with you. What a shallow arguement, how appropriate.

Travis said...

Purplrosez...What red-blooded American family WOULDN'T take a hefty paycheck to allow camera crews into their home to record their daily life if it meant not having to go to work everyday? And who among us doesn't enjoy watching this very attractive family go through their trials every week? I can't say that I blame them for the choices that they've made.

Who wouldn't be attractive with donated surgeries and spa treatments? I liked them more when they were both fat, worked jobs and played with their kids. That was much more attractive.

Anonymous said...

Was the flower tat Kate had removed
with the tummy tuck a purplrose?

mlou said...

RE: tatoo

I know it was a rose, but I can't remember what color it was.
The first special comes on tonight or tomorrow. Maybe the second special will follow shortly after and we can see.

ThreeFarmers said...

That rose tattoo she had was pretty faded. I don't know if we'll be able to discern the actual color. That's a very astute observation, anonymous. I had a few words with PurplRosez recently.

pootknot said...

The other thing that really really bothers me about the family is how she constantly considers her kids to be special needs. How she felt they needed to be on disability in the beginning and everything. Getting all of these hand outs because she feels she is "owed" it. All the while talking about how exhausted she is when she has all these people helping her every day. The only thing I see exhausting her is the constant freaking out.

It hits a button with me big time. I am a single mom of two boys. One of which is autistic. I get NO Help. I work a full time job, get home in just enough time to get to football practice which i do sit at all night. I am up until the wee hours of the morning every day doing the laundry, all the domestic stuff we just have to do. I also dont get any child support. Its up to me and only me. Am I bitter? Do I feel I am Owed something? No. I had these boys. They are my responsibility no one elses.
I sit there and watch her freak out when Joel is gryping or Mady is having another Meltdown and I think, geesh lady try having to get a child under control that is having a huge temper tantrum with the mind of a 4 year old but is 140 pounds! I do itevery day of my life and yes I am exhausted, but you know its worth it to me. I don't feel I need an award for "Putting up" with my special needs child. It isn't his fault he has these problems and I have never considered him a burden.

It just gets my goat so bad. People are not owed something because they had a child! I consider her no better than the ones that stay on welfare and continue to have baby after baby only to get more money.

bigsis88 said...

Interesting comment, pootknot, especially your last paragraph. On another forum, I once speculated that if Kate were a minority, she would be considered a trashy "welfare queen", and Jon would probably be called her "baby's daddy", especially considering their relative lack of education. However, TLC/Figure 8 films found this perfect little famiy and molded them into the "American Dream."